HLS30-OOO13 Has Been Found!

[doradox]

Now think about this...the S20 engine makes approximately the same horse power as the L24. Why wasn't it used for the export models?

Why was it hardly used on any domestic models? Obviously not intended for true production other than to satisfy some racing requirement.

Alan my have some comments on this, but the fact that the various engines WERE used and the chassis designed to accomodate all three engines does NOT support the idea that the 240Z was designed specifically for American consumption.

It must have been tough, you know all that design work to make sure 3 small displacement overhead cam straight 6 engines would all fit in the S30 chassis.

Especially when two, actual production models not racing engines, were virtual twins. Imagine the heartburn Chevy engineers must have had making sure the 283, 302, 327, and 350 would all fit in the Camero chassis. This "designed" for 3 engine stuff is disingenuous at best and holding it up as proof that the Z wasn't designed specifically for American consumption isn't helping you argument.

Edited September 9, 2009 by doradox
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[HS30-H]

....in the Camero chassis.

"Camero"?

You are Carl Beck, and I claim my prize

Doradox, there's a big f'in hole in the radiator support panel of you car that has the S20's name on it. You might not have noticed it yet. I invite you to take a peep, and open your mind a little.

Alan T.

[doradox]

"Camero"?

You are Carl Beck, and I claim my prize

Doradox, there's a big f'in hole in the radiator support panel of you car that has the S20's name on it. You might not have noticed it yet. I invite you to take a peep, and open your mind a little.

Alan T.

I'm an engineer, so sue me if I can't spell.

Now about those "3" engines. More like one and a special mention. You got anything better than a hole in the radiator core support? Minute details. What significance are they? Nissan wanted to race and added a feature to a sheetmetal panel so they could build a handful of cars to satisfy a race sanctioning board. Calling that "designing the chassis for three engines" is a stretch.

Steve

[Skyblue280z]

whats so speical about this car? I think im missing something

[conedodger]

whats so speical about this car? I think im missing something

Probably the lowest VIN# Z sold to the public in the US...

[26th-Z]

Why was it hardly used on any domestic models? Obviously not intended for true production other than to satisfy some racing requirement.

It was used on domestic models - not 'hardly' at all. The intention is not obvious. I'll grant you, doradox, an interesting point; homologation. But then, if Datsun (brought to you by Nissan) intended to build the S30 just for the Americans, why did they go to all the trouble to homologate the S20? BRE didn't use the S20. Neither did BSR.

It must have been tough, you know all that design work to make sure 3 small displacement overhead cam straight 6 engines would all fit in the S30 chassis.

Especially when two, actual production models not racing engines, were virtual twins. Imagine the heartburn Chevy engineers must have had making sure the 283, 302, 327, and 350 would all fit in the Camero chassis. This "designed" for 3 engine stuff is disingenuous at best and holding it up as proof that the Z wasn't designed specifically for American consumption isn't helping you argument.

I'm not using that particular example as "proof". It's just one example of many.

But back to HLS30-00013. There's nothing really all that special about it any more than any of the first 100 cars. It has a better pedegree than, say, Her Majesty the 26th but so what. Just another low-vin conversation piece. It would be great to see 13th restored and in a museum. It would be great to see 16th or 17th restored. It will be really great to see 26th restored!

Edited September 10, 2009 by 26th-Z

[S30TRBO]

HLS30-00003 has just been found!!!!!!!!!!

stand by for the pictures to load....

ok fine this is not a true statement, so everyone please start to breathe again. I just read through both threads and I guess I can sleep better now. I am going to stay neutral like the Swiss as I have nothing informative to add other than some late night humor. I will be honest, as I wiped the sleep out of my eyes I felt like the fat school kid getting slapped around by the "cool" people.

Long live #13...I mean the Z... nite brothers

Edited September 10, 2009 by S30TRBO

[HS30-H]

You got anything better than a hole in the radiator core support? Minute details. What significance are they?

There are literally hundreds of indications all over these cars that show they were designed and engineered with both LHD and RHD configurations in mind. Many of them have been discussed on this forum over the last few years. Perhaps if you had the opportunity to have a really close look at a stripped down RHD car that was made around the same time as yours - and you compared them side by side - you might notice a few more.

But rather than me trying to convince you of the built-in dualities in design, how about you try to convince me that the cars themselves demonstrate that they were conceived, designed and engineered with solely the USA market in mind? Show me something in the very fabric of the car.

As an engineer, you might be able to point out a few things on these cars that are proof positive of these "designed for the USA" claims. What are they? Where's the proof on the car? Come on, drop the bomb.

It might make a refreshing change to hear some engineering-led 'evidence' from the USA-only minds, as it's usually only sales flannel and production quantities that are used as 'proof'.

Alan T.

[doradox]

But back to HLS30-00013. There's nothing really all that special about it any more than any of the first 100 cars. It has a better pedegree than, say, Her Majesty the 26th but so what. Just another low-vin conversation piece. It would be great to see 13th restored and in a museum. It would be great to see 16th or 17th restored. It will be really great to see 26th restored!

What makes the story special to me is that it was "lost" for so long. That's not really about the actual car so much I guess. Other than that I agree with you.

Steve

[doradox]

There are literally hundreds of indications all over these cars that show they were designed and engineered with both LHD and RHD configurations in mind. Many of them have been discussed on this forum over the last few years. Perhaps if you had the opportunity to have a really close look at a stripped down RHD car that was made around the same time as yours - and you compared them side by side - you might notice a few more.

But rather than me trying to convince you of the built-in dualities in design, how about you try to convince me that the cars themselves demonstrate that they were conceived, designed and engineered with solely the USA market in mind? Show me something in the very fabric of the car.

As an engineer, you might be able to point out a few things on these cars that are proof positive of these "designed for the USA" claims. What are they? Where's the proof on the car? Come on, drop the bomb.

It might make a refreshing change to hear some engineering-led 'evidence' from the USA-only minds, as it's usually only sales flannel and production quantities that are used as 'proof'.

Alan T.

If you have been paying attention, and I am surprised you missed this small detail as they seem so important to you, you'll remember I haven't made any "designed for the US" claims.

And once again you wave your hands and change the subject in "answer" to my question. Did I not misspell anything this time?

Steve

[HS30-H]

If you have been paying attention, and I am surprised you missed this small detail as they seem so important to you, you'll remember I haven't made any "designed for the US" claims.

And once again you wave your hands and change the subject in "answer" to my question. Did I not misspell anything this time?

Steve

Sorry if I offended you about the "Camero" spelling thing, but it's exactly the same way that Carl Beck (mis)spells it so often. I found that funny and ironic at the same time, given recent ( and historical ) forum exchanges. Don't take it too much to heart, please.

As for changing the subject in "answer" to your question - I wasn't aware of that habit. I'll have to be more careful, won't I? I thought I'd posted quite enough about the subject to make my case, as have others.

Sorry too for believing that you are one of those "designed for the US" people, if that's actually not the case. It's just that everything you have written around the topic lately ( like in that interesting Datsun USA press release thread that Mike B posted ) makes it look as though you're not willing to accept the fact that the concept, design, engineering and production of the cars was not centred solely on the USA market version.

I was genuinely hoping to hear your opinion ( as an engineer ) on the details of the car, but if you don't want to then you don't have to.

Alan T.

[conedodger]

But back to HLS30-00013. There's nothing really all that special about it any more than any of the first 100 cars. It has a better pedegree than, say, Her Majesty the 26th but so what. Just another low-vin conversation piece. It would be great to see 13th restored and in a museum. It would be great to see 16th or 17th restored. It will be really great to see 26th restored!

On this I would have to disagree. Yes the first 100 cars are special but the lowest VIN registered in the US not any more special? Just another low-vin conversation piece? Well, after all - we are here to converse about these cars so to trivialize that is to trivialize this...

I would say that while the first 100 are special, a car like the 13th is important, perhaps historically so. It should be restored and put in a museum. Perhaps your perspective is different owning the 26th but from where me and most of the others here are standing, this is a very important car. My car is a 73 and it sold in high volumes because of the popularity of this car...