Actually, it has happened in "real" life at a number of car shows but not at the 290+ level, only between individual cars in a specific class and I am going to assume it will continue into the future unless it has been corrected.

Reading the rules reminds me of why I only ever entered my MGA for casual juding in the driver category. (See attached pic).

Even in the "driver" class, class winners are often trailer queens with documented mileage that were never driven. These cars were purchased and restored with the singular goal of winning best-in-class at club shows. Just a bit too anal for my taste...

From my perspective, cars are meant to be driven, usually resulting in visible road wear. I love looking at pristine cars, but have more appreciation for a well maintained car that is driven frequently, but will never win a trophy...

If a car was totally in primer, then it has no paint, and should therefore get no deduction on that item. I have seen a few cars that actually looked OK in grey or black primer.

Julio-

I always get beat out by the customs and over-restored cars at shows. Mine is stock and driven.

People are always saying stuff like "that's a really cool car" but they won't actually cast a vote for it...

When you get to hang out with Z car people you're more at home than when you get those kind of megabuck car owners. Maybe next time you could park next to some rat-rods?

thxZ

This is what I think of trailers:

Don't need to park next to the rat rods as the MGA is gone now. After 17 years I sold to a guy in Holland to make room for the 240Z. There's only so much usable space in my 2-car garage... One bay for the car, one bay for project space.

Like the MGA, my 72' Z will be a respectible driver, but definetly not show car quality.

Some of the comments I've read thus far and in other similar discussions seem to indicate how difficiut an undertaking assembling that book/document would be. It would be just as subject to conjecture/discussion as the judging rules themselves.

That is obvious, but such a document would not be an official one or sanctioned by anyone. It could only be a bunch of general rules or tips or ghuidelines, and one would need to verify everything and write in all the notes they can get. It would probably be a good place to start.

I can't believe you would even consider showing at a car show with a dirty clutch MC. That's sic dude! Like farting in an elevator... Only clean plungers allowed here!

I guess the comments section is for comments. I usually write compliments or a specific thing I'm deducting points for. Thanks for your comments, zlady! As pointed out, the only thing that actually has to work is the glove box light in the stock classes. Any body finish is acceptable other than the stock class. I want to see one of Shin Yoshikawa's polished aluminum bodies. Washer bottle - only needed in the stock classes. I saw mis-matched tires a couple of weeks ago. For those of you with the "but I drive my car" excuse can enter the Daily Driver class. Car showing is lots of fun and show judging just as much funner. You get a free t-shirt and get to look at cars up real close and admire things like what zlady has done. I'm think'n those trophies are around $40 these days. Clean is Divine

We discussed the new rules at a club meeting, and it was said that the changes concerned the newer cars, which is pretty much how things looked to me.

There is one important thing missing from the rules; the protocol the judges themselves must use when judging the cars.

At any car show- judged or not- no one may touch the cars without permission from the owner. That includes the judges at a judged show. Even the judges at a concours d'elegance show will do that. They will look carefully, or closely at a car and even stick their head in the window (if it's open) but they will not touch the car without first asking the owner. Nor will they get in or sit in a car to test controls ( brakes, lights, glove box, etc.)

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Even then, with permission, a judge (like at a concours de'elegence) will use clean (white) gloves to do things like open a door or poke into an exhaust tip. Usually the owner will be asked to open the door, bonnet, or boot. The judge will ask the owner to test the controls for them and they will note the result. For a Z meet, it might be necessary for a judge to look far over the engine, and to support himself. In that case, permission and a soft, clean cloth (a terry cloth towel) is appropriate.

There is no reason that judges at a Z meet, even a ZCCA meet, should be handling things on the cars, without permission or even some clean gloves or a clean cloth.

There may be more things the judges should be doing (or not) while looking at the cars. There's no reason why those things couldn't be collected to produce a judges addendum, to be incorporated into the next rules revision.

thxZ

Edited November 27, 200915 yr by TomoHawk

In the Judging Requiements section of the rules(pg. 10), it looks like the ZCCA requires that your car have emmissions equipment on it:

Score zero (0) deduction if none present in the modified classes – five (5) point deduction if modified and ten (10) point deduction if missing in the stock classes.

It seems unclear (except to the writer, of course.) What does "stock classes" mean? Does that include the Daily Driver class, or just the stock class for each generation? The 10-point deduction is odd; usually you get no deduction when an item is completely removed, like the a/c.

thxZ

Edited December 3, 200915 yr by TomoHawk

"What does "stock classes" mean? Does that include the Daily Driver class, or just the stock class for each generation?"

That rule should only apply to Stock (10 points off) and Modified (5 points off) and not Daily Driver. Judging for the DD class does not include the engine compartment.

Yeah, I remember, thanks. Anywhere else you go, DD includes the engine, but they only care about how it looks.