How would you build a DSP AUTO-X Z

[rjracin240]

Here is a copy of my email to the Board, hoping that every SCCA member will write your own email or at least cut and paste mine, dont forget to change the membership # !

Lets get this through.

Dear SEB,

The following proposal of the Move from BSP to DSP: Datsun 240Z & 260Z & 280 Z. Also revise current BSP listing to “Datsun 280ZX/280ZX Turbo

(‘79-’83) (ref. 09-673) has gained my interest, as a owner of a 1972 Datsun 240Z I am disappointed in the overwhelming odds against this car in BSP. The growth of technology has resulted in the earlier Datsun Z’s being outclassed, the move to DSP would add another car to this class that would be competitive and have a power to weight ratio in keeping with this class. There is still a large following of the early Z’s thereby allowing for additional growth to Auto-X racing. I am hoping the board will see the benefits of this class change to both bringing back a car with a huge following and much history in SCCA Competition.

Sincerely,

Russ Jones

MBR# 344303

[carusoracer]

Hey Andy!

Good to hear you chime in! I have your number and still need to call you about a couple things. You are the Man!

I was their for the display personally put on by Vic and Andy the years they ran the car, awesome! It was truly a to the limit car I did not have money at the time to build. There is one caveat I put out to people trying to build the car, stick to the rules and get every last ounce of weight out as stated earlier. Then go after engine, SHOCKS, and more testing ie. driving. You can not win with out them.

OTH, a early 90's BMW 3 series with basically an M3"Hint" motor and setup is easier to drive, more parts and shops, and more rear end ratio's to choose from. I love my Z and had success, but I jumped into a Trophy winning BMW in a very controlled, big course test environment and in 2 runs beat my car's time by a second. What was even more scary about the test was knowing that the owner, anonymous, never let me drive it again because I beat his time by a 1.5 seconds on a 48-50 second Nationals type venue course.

With that said it will be great to see the old Z's out again:cool: Have Fun!

[rjracin240]

With that said it will be great to see the old Z's out again:cool: Have Fun!

With that said please write in to the SCCA requesting the classing change if all ready not done!

[CTR98]

I'm not sure this is the correct thread but since this one seems to have morphed into the DSP discussion...

The SCCA has just posted the March Fastrack and includes this:

STREET PREPARED

- The SPAC continues to review feedback and data concerning the possible moves of Datsun/Nissan Z cars to DSP. (ref.

09-734, 09-739, 09-753, 10-003, 10-054, 10-055)

That means we still have a chance! PLEASE, write a letter if you haven't done so.

[tholt29]

It looks like the thought of moving the Z from BSP to DSP is losing some ground. The latest Fastrack is looking for feedback to move the Z along with the S2000 and others to CSP now... That's not much different than BSP as far as times go, but does move it away from the rally buggies and makes the competition a lot less course dependent.

"Move from BSP to CSP: BMW M Coupe and Roadster, BMW Z3, Datsun/Nissan Z cars, Honda S2000, Mazda RX8"

... write a note to SEB@SCCA.COM if you like or dislike this idea and or prefer the move to DSP. The squeeky wheel gets the grease!

Tom

[Curtis240Z]

Sent in my comments.

[rjracin240]

Once again comments placed with the SCCA SEB for the move to DSP.

All supporters of the Z; please make your comments regardless of whether you race, to the SEB in favor of the move. Let them know that would be your deciding factor to race the Z!!!

[rjracin240]

Please make your comments to the SEB.

Wanting to race the Z BAD but want to be competitive, help me out!

Hi, Russell,

Your comments have been logged 10-277 for SP Reclassing Comments and sent to the SEB. They will discuss this topic and once they have made a decision they will post it in a future FasTrack news.

Thanks for your input!

Brian Harmer

SCCA Solo Technical Specialist

1-800-770-2055

Solo National Rules: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rules/2010_scca_solo_rules.pdf

FastTrack: http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=78

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From: Jones, Russell J. [mailto:rjones@atlanticmarine.com]

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:07 PM

To: seb

Subject: Move of Datsun S30 to DSP

I am disturbed to see that the long awaited move of the first generation Datsun Z might be moved to CSP instead of the initial plan of DSP. This car is a lot more suited for DSP considering its age and suspension design. The car also has a huge loyal following that could generate a resurgence of participation once this following saw that their car was entering a class where it could fairly compete.

Please reconsider the class of the first Generation of Datsun Z and place the car in DSP

[John Coffey]

Ultimately the SEB decides what changes to make based on feedback.

Missed this... Not true. The SEB also uses their own opinions and opinions of others they feel are 'experts" in the area to help make the final decision. Its not based completely on member feedback. If option A gets the most positive member feedback that's no guarantee of approval. This SCCA is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination.

BTW... From the latest Fasttrack:

Per the SPAC, the following previously-published (January 2010) proposed moves have been withdrawn:

- Datsun 240/260/280Z from BSP to DSP

The following groups of class change proposals has been recommended by the SPAC and are being published here for

member comment:

- Move from BSP to CSP:

BMW

M3 (E46)

M3 (E36)

Datsun

240Z

260Z

280Z

- Change the listing in BSP for the following cars to have this form:

Datsun & Nissan

280ZX, 280ZX Turbo, 300ZX, 300ZX Turbo (’84-’96)

Note the last entry. VG30DET in a 280ZX NA?

Edited April 22, 2010 by John Coffey

[tholt29]

Also note the 240/260/280Z are listed on separate lines... Technically that would make any update backdate illegal... I suspect that was an error but we better make sure that's the case... Keep writing...

Tom