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Okay guys, we need your help. DO NOT CHANGE THE FORMULA!!! Stick with the exact question and help us please! We are trying to determine how many race drivers in history have WON automobile races on ALL of these surfaces:

1. Dirt tracks of any kind. This includes but is not limited to dirt ovals, Mickey Thompson, all-dirt rallies, short course off road circuits, etc. Any track that is genuine, 100% dirt.

2. Road courses.

3. Asphalt ovals.

4. Desert race courses such as Baja, Vegas to Reno, Dakar, etc.

Yes, local and club racing counts so long as the driver WON. Any type of car counts if it has four wheels. Near misses are irrelevant. Car type is irrelevant.

We are still early in the search, but the list so far has turned up only two names - Parnelli Jones and Robby Gordon. Parnelli won on asphalt ovals (Indy 500, no less!), desert courses, Trans Am road races and he won on DIRT ovals in midgets. Robby Gordon won on asphalt at Michigan, won on road courses in NASCAR, he began his career in desert racing and his dirt wins came on the indoor off-road dirt tracks of the Mickey Thompson series. They were all dirt, so they count.

We are finding that its difficult to find drivers who even drove on all those surfaces, let alone won. Most of the modern drivers are specialists nowadays... they are groomed specifically for open wheel, stock cars, etc., and have very little racing experience on other surfaces. Please help if you can. We need more than ideas or maybes... we need to know for sure.

Many thanks for any thoughts you have - and help us stay on topic! :)

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Bob Watson Aussie driving Legend!

Now, is this poll/question going to be Just North American based or world wide?

Its already USA biased because of the asphalt oval track criteria. Not much asphalt oval racing outside of the USA.

Is this for some contest where the answer is already known? If not it may simply be possible that no drivers exist that fit the criteria.

It is not a trick question and no, we don't already know the answer. We are researching this from ground zero partially out of personal interest and partially to help someone else with a project.

So please, keep up the ideas! You are actually helping tremendously with a research effort.

And we know of one driver who fits - Parnelli Jones has done it. Robby Gordon also qualifies if you include Mickey Thompson as a dirt series, which literally speaking, it is.

We have had to slightly revise the criteria to make it specific and more clear: we are after drivers who have won on dirt ovals, asphalt ovals, road courses and desert courses. But that is a minor adjustment and the question remains. Many thanks!

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Bob Watson Aussie driving Legend!

Now, is this poll/question going to be Just North American based or world wide?

No disrespect meant to anyone else, but we are researching American-born drivers only. It is already difficult enough... broadening to a worldwide search would be nearly impossible. This is a tough question, but limiting our scope makes it somewhat possible to find the answers.

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