Posted June 1, 201014 yr comment_321273 Sunday evening while I was doing some exploratory work on the water-temperature sensor I grounded the yellow wire to determine if the gauge or the sensor were defective. At first it appeared as though the gauge was the problem, but after trying a few different grounds, I was able to get a full scale reading on the gauge. I attributed the poor ground to the condition of the connector, which is corroded. Monday afternoon I decided to go out for a drive. The car wouldn't start, which is unusual since this engine starts easily. I figured I must have accidentally disconnected something near the distributor while looking for a good ground the night before. A quick check showed everything connected.Then I remembered that I had removed the harness that contains the yellow water-temp wire, and a wire to the distributor (the tach wire?), from the clip on the drivers side wheel well (the same clip also holds the wire from the coil to the cap). I pulled the wire from clip and moved it about a inch, then reinserted it back into the clip. The good news is the car started. The bad news is something kept it from starting.So there must be a few chafed wires somewhere in that harness. I'll have to remove the harness casing and look for damaged wires. What other wires are in that harness? Could the tach wire disable the ignition system? I tried to get that from the wiring diagram in the BE section of the FSM, but had little luck. Edited June 1, 201014 yr by Gary in NJ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321274 It's likely the tachometer wire as you've surmised. It must be connected properly for the engine to run. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321279 It's likely the tachometer wire as you've surmised. It must be connected properly for the engine to run.The car shouldn't run if the tach wire is faulty? I'm asking because mine is completely disconnected and I'm still able to start and run my 240. In fact, I'm trying to find a new tach wire. Mine had been connected with a nest of copper taped on to a length of speaker wire. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321281 Depends on the year and which style tach you have. The early 240Zs with the so-called "4-wire" tach will not run (without a jumper wire) if the tach is disconnected. I don't believe that is true for the cars with the "3-wire" tachs. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321283 I don't believe that is true for the cars with the "3-wire" tachs.Witch most -73 models came with, I wonder when they changed to 3 wire.Chris Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321285 Depends on the year and which style tach you have. The early 240Zs with the so-called "4-wire" tach will not run (without a jumper wire) if the tach is disconnected. I don't believe that is true for the cars with the "3-wire" tachs.Good to know. Thanks. With all the backwoods mods done to my car I'm never sure what's up. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321286 Witch most -73 models came with, I wonder when they changed to 3 wire.There's been other threads on that question here, the answer has been mixed. Sometime in late '72 or so? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321294 Arne - thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware of the later change and would never intentionally spread misinformation. Gary's HLS30-91415 is clearly a mid 1972 model which makes it a candidate for the earlier tach based on your "late '72" guess. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr Author comment_321298 Gary's HLS30-91415 is clearly a mid 1972 model which makes it a candidate for the earlier tach based on your "late '72" guess.Good eye, its has a build date of 7/72. I guess that the water temp wire (yellow) and the tach wire (blue, I think) are touching. A couple of connectors and some heat shrink and this problem should be solved. If the wires look brittle, I'll just go ahead a replace 'em. Thanks for confirming my suspicion. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 1, 201014 yr comment_321302 There's been other threads on that question here, the answer has been mixed. Sometime in late '72 or so?Arne, member lpraun, have a -73 with a 4 wire tach and you say the 3 wire came in -72?Chris Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 2, 201014 yr comment_321318 Do you mean "Start" or "Crank"? Would the starter kick over when y ou tried to start the car?I'm troubleshooting a 72 with an automatic. I can't get it to crank.Thanks Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 2, 201014 yr Author comment_321328 It would crank away, but not fire.No crank; battery, battery cables or the starter. Also check the switch to make sure you are getting a ground closure at the solenoid when you engage the starter. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/36055-whats-grounding-here/#findComment-321328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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