HLS30-00400 on CL

[26th-Z]

Randy,

Your picture originally came from me.

[Zs-ondabrain]

As soon as you're done bitching like a little girl, WE can get back on the Subject.

Nuff said?

Quitcherbitchen

[26th-Z]

Guys,

Rick doesn't post with any intention of irritation. He knows this site is "hardball" and he likes to contribute and discuss things with this gang. Welcome him. He's a good-'ol Z guy who wants to talk about Zs. Just read past his # slang. He's used to that format and we can all assume he is talking about HLS30Us, HLS30UNs, or HLS30UVs. I wonder how many of you know the difference between the three models imported into North America. Or that there WERE three different model specifications.

John,

Climb out of Alan's _ss lest you make a horse's _ss of yourself. Instead, thank him for bringing reality to what would otherwise be little more than a gossip column. England is not in Europe.

Thank you, again, Geezer for our lengthy conversations that brought so much understanding of the production process to my attention. The picture Randy posted came from that research conversation when I was questioning the color sequencing some years ago. Kats has my whole collection.

Thank you and drive happy

Edited June 22, 2010 by 26th-Z

[HS30-H]

As soon as you're done bitching like a little girl, WE can get back on the Subject.

Nuff said?

Quitcherbitchen

To whom ( and / or what ) is this post directed?

[Chris280Z]

Wow, has this thread gone off track. Hope someone from NH grabs it and it doesn't get shipped overseas to people with money. If it stay's in NH, when you redo it, I will blast and powdercoat your control arms satin black for free. 8)

[DaveBonds]

I cannot vouch for the Nissan plant in particular, but I know that Geezer is on track with the broadcast and painting systems that were commonly practiced among a lot of auto manufacturing plants.

Chrysler used to paint every single model that they could that called for the same color all at once at the same plant, regardless of being Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge, 2door, 4door... anything goes. The fender tags on those cars were painted standing up so they could read them, then screwed down on the other side with a zinc plated sheet metal screw. On a true survivor, one screw will be painted over bent metal and the other bare.

I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nissan painted other vehicle bodies with the S30 model in the same paint plant before sending them off down their broadcast corresponding assembly plant.

Edited June 23, 2010 by DaveBonds

[Zs-ondabrain]

To whom ( and / or what ) is this post directed?

Mostly You, and the others who are off track on the thread.

I click on a thread to become hopefully educated on an early Z that is For Sale on Craigslist, Instead, I end up clicking thru the clutter of a bunch of bitching about who's right and who's wrong. So I ask myself, "What the Fucque does that have to do with the #400 Z on Craigslist?"

And instead of just getting back on track or just walking away, You're right back looking for another fight? Who the hell cares about who it's about. Just get on with the thread. and grow up.

[HS30-H]

Mostly You, and the others who are off track on the thread.

So basically everybody, but me in particular. Noted.

I click on a thread to become hopefully educated on an early Z that is For Sale on Craigslist, Instead, I end up clicking thru the clutter of a bunch of bitching about who's right and who's wrong. So I ask myself, "What the Fucque does that have to do with the #400 Z on Craigslist?"

I'd say a lot of it has to do with the "#400 Z" ( ha ha! I see what you did there...! ). If you can't accept that a discussion about the spec and details of a particular car ( in this case, a lot was posted about its OEM paint colour for example ) will naturally bring up related discussions, then I really wonder what it is you expect to see when you participate in a forum? Some of our best collective 'work' comes through such sidetracking. Show me a thread without any subject drift and digression, and I'll show you a pretty dry - and possibly rather short - thread.

And instead of just getting back on track or just walking away, You're right back looking for another fight? Who the hell cares about who it's about. Just get on with the thread. and grow up.

"Another fight"? "Grow up"? You accuse somebody of "bitching like a little girl" ( and "quitcherbitchen" - which is a new one on me ) and then you ask them to "grow up". Bizarre. And you write this over your rather hefty signature line 'advertising' too. The irony appears to be lost on you.

Seems to me that none of this is really about what is written or the way it is written, but more about who is writing it. If that wasn't the case, then 'zcar70' should be complaining about a few posts in this thread other than just mine.....

For the record, I think threads like this are the very essence of this forum. The forum takes a specific early car ( it's for sale, so everybody and his dog can pick faults in it without any thought for the owner or his feelings ) and then takes it apart at the same time as telling us what it's 'really' worth. Speculations are made, and somebody pops up with some bad data which is quickly revealed to be mistaken. Somebody takes offence at something a little too easily, and a storm brews in a teacup. It'll soon blow over. Meanwhile, "#400Z" ( tee hee ) is still for sale.

Really, what's not to like? "Quitcherbitchen" indeed.

Alan T.

[Kathy & Rick]

Sorry, zcar70, but in this case (as in many others) I have to agree with Alan. Rick seems to post alot of information based on his own recolletcions and logic. Sometimes I think he does it just to see the reaction. That's my opinion. Am I being nasty for voicing it? If so then you need to take down the first paragraph in you post.......

Morning, Stephen! Morning, everyone!

Well, guys, Stephen has me figured out pretty accurately!

I do enjoy the bantering. When I contribute, it is indeed according to what I

have learned and can recall from over the years, especially the 1970 decade.

So in the cases where I don't have the information recorded in some manner,

I have to rely on memory which, when talking about things of 30 and 40

years ago, can be a little "fuzzy" at times.

I do it with full realization that someone else may have more accurate or

more recent information. In that sense, I guess you could say it is for the

purpose of generating feedback, which IS a form of reaction. I don't think

that either Stephen or Alan is being nasty at all; in fact, I rather enjoy their

responses, which I don't interpret as being nasty, but rather as an indicator

of their zeal and intensity regarding things 'Z'. I really appreciate that!

BTW, for the younger guys who are management prospects, a very useful

technique for generating discussion among the staff is to make a statement

or a proposal, then ask where your thinking is wrong or why the proposal

wouldn't work. That way you can get the thinking of a whole bunch of

people into the mix, while inciting some really lively, constructive interaction

in so doing!

Moonpup, no offense intended! I was actually agreeing with while amplifying

what you had said.

Mike B, thanks for your information, which I will use to update my data. And

also for the excellent suggestion on where to find even more information; I

will certainly visit those sites.

Geezer (Ron), your contributions are ALWAYS very insightful to all of us, on

how the internal operations of an auto manufacturing plant function and

dovetail to arrive at a finished product. I totally agree that a guided tour of

a plant, especially one producing 240Z's (no longer possible), would not only

be instructive, but exciting as well. Perhaps something like that will be

possible during ZCON2010 in the near future.

Alan, thanks for understanding that when I abbreviate a VIN, I am not

slighting or denigrating the Z population of any other nation or continent.

GaryinNJ did a fine job of describing how I am using a sort of shorthand that

most will understand while others make their regional adjustments.

All of you fellow Z lovers are great, and it would be wonderful to have an

opportunity to meet and talk in person with each one of you at some point

in time!! What would keep that from happening? (Here we go again!)

All Z Best,.........................Rick (and Kathy, of course)

[moonpup]

......snip......

Moonpup, no offense intended! I was actually agreeing with while amplifying

what you had said. ....snip.....

I GIVE UP!

[sblake01]

This thread was off track when things like brochures, defroster wires, and Solex's were brought up. What has taken place in the thread was/is more interesting and informative than the car itself anyway. The car is a rag: period. Some say it shoud be restored but come on, no one is really going to put the kind of money and effort into this particular example unless the simply have an adiding interest in Datsun history. It is, after all. #400 not #004. Rick, I'm glad you got my meaning. You only have about 8 years or so on me so I too must rely on a 40 year old memory to talk about the 70s so I can't be accused of throwing stones in a glass house. "Posting to see the reaction" as I said is totally different from "posting with intention of irritation" as Chris said. I was not accusing you of the latter, in fact, I was not accusing at all, just making an observation. The latter would be a description of what our Ohio based 'mostly stock and original' 280Z owner does.

Moonpup, I feel your pain.......

Edited June 23, 2010 by sblake01

[geezer]

...while others make their regional adjustments.

I hope to meet you also one day Rick. We would get along just fine without worrying about our inappropriate terminology or placement of it. I couldn't help but have a good chuckle when I read the above quote. I was imagining the look on Alan's face whilst he reads it. I love/appreciate all you guys just the way you are, don't change a thing.

Has there been enough interest in HLS30-00400 for anyone to request more pictures? Anyone considering this car had better take a full inventory of the correct early parts and get much better views or preferably see it in person. It will take a special, commited person with deep pockets to take this project on and do it justice.

Edited June 23, 2010 by geezer