Is this red car HLS30-00007?

[kats]

Hi,

I red the other thread about 1969 car and it made me think about HLS30-00007.

We recently have found very early L-series engined cars have Z432 bolt on the air cleaner.But this red car on the brochure does not have it.

Also we have found very Early cars do not have a clamp for a master vac hose,but this red car does have it.

I think if this red car is HLS30-00007, something should be cleared.

What do you think of this?

kats

PS : also a green car from the brochure,this car does have a carpet on the rear deck.And without a hand- throttle.The red car too, without a hand-throttle.

About a carpet, it could be installed before the photo mission.

A hand-throttle, it could be removed before the photo mission.

But Z432 bolts and the clamp, I could not imagine how/when they were installed.

[Mike B]

Hi Kats,

You make very good points, especially about the support for the brake booster hose on the red car not being the one found on very early cars. I had not noticed that before. The wing nuts could have been changed easily, but why bother with that for such a small detail no one would notice? The early bracket is screwed on and the later bracket shown in the 1970 brochure is welded to the firewall I believe. All three of my 1969 production cars have the early bracket, but HLS30-01590 (a 1/70 car) had the later bracket, so I am not sure when the change was made.

I think Carl was the one that identified the red car in this (1970) brochure as being HLS30-00007. See his posts starting with #188 in this other thread http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25575&highlight=carl+1970+brochure&page=8. That thread (post #182) also has pictures of the early "Z432 style" bolts found on my HLS30-00032 and several of the other very early cars.

-Mike

[Mike B]

After looking through all my pictures of low VIN cars, it looks like the bracket change happened somewhere between HLS30-00248 and HLS30-00331 (11/69 production cars). Here are pictures of HLS30-00237 with the early bracket and HLS30-00331 with the later bracket (although it is hard to see next to the shredded braided hose). All the photos of later cars I have seen after #331 appear to have the later bracket. Based on that, I would say the red car in the 1970 brochure is probably not HLS30-00007. Good work Kats!

-Mike

[kats]

Thank you Mike,

great information, some between 248 and 331, that make sense. HLS30-00476 (903 blue in Japan) has a welded bracket.

Or the red car in the big picture and engine room picture's red car are diferrent?

kats

[26th-Z]

What serial numbers did we decide were from the North American Test Cars, Kats?

[kats]

Hi Chris,

They both silver cars must be HLS30-00004 and HLS30-00005.When I made an interview to test crew Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa some years ago,they showed me 1969/1970 monthly production data.Also they told me test cars are SEISAN SHISAKU #14 & #15.

Cross referencing data sheet ,we reached this opinion.

kats

[kats]

Hi,

I reviewed about production number which we talked about some long time ago.

Here I posted again the data sheets which I have got from Nissan Shatai when I made an interview to the test crew,Mr.Uemura and Mr. Osawa.

It is very interesting to see those cars were given numbers in sequence.

To cross reference these data,we can see when each car were made .

These are FACTORY PROTO TYPE,

05/69 No.1 = S30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive)

05/69 No.2 = HLS30-00001 Q21 (production factory study)

06/69 No.3 = PS30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive)

These are PRIMARY PRODUCTION PROTO TYPE,

07/69 No.1 = HLS30-00002 Nissan Shatai (test drive)

07/69 No.2 = S30-00002 Nissan Shatai (test drive)

07/69 No.3 = PS30-00002 K11 (registration)

07/69 No.4 = HS30-00001 Nissan Shatai (test drive)

08/69 No.5 = S30-00003 K11 (registration)

08/69 No.6 = S30-00004 F45 (K31 spare)

08/69 No.7 = S30-00005 F45 (K31 spare)

08/69 No.8 = PS30-00003 F45 (K31 spare)

08/69 No.9 = HLS30-00003 E81 (service; service manual? kats)

08/69 No.10 = S30-00006 F45 (for press/media)

08/69 No.11 = PS30-00004 F45 (K31 spare)

Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa told me the two test cars were PRIMARY PRODUCTION PROTO TYPE #14 (HL270U) and #15 (HL270UA this car has an automatic trans).

As you know, 270 is a code number for S30 when it was in the factory.

There are only two rooms for Export S30s in 09/69, this month started making from No.12... So, think about PRIMARY PRODUCTION PROTO TYPE

No.12 and 13 with regarding Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa's comment,

No.12 and No.13 could not be Export model.

We can see No.14 is HLS30-00004 , No.15 is HLS30-00005 according from these data and test crew's comment.

Just information for someone will be interested in.

kats

[Kathy & Rick]

I am VERY interested in this information, Kats, since it is approaching

very near to one of our cars. I have been interested in this type of

information for 40 years now, and it is so nice to have more of it

made available from a reliable source.

So, domo arigato for that, and please keep up the good work.

If you are able to make the ZCON2010 show in Nashville it will be a

great pleasure to meet you, so that you are no longer just a name

on an email post.

All Z Best,................................Kathy & Rick

[Mike B]

So Carl (Beck), based on the first couple of posts in this thread, do you still think that the red car shown in the 1970 240Z US brochure was HLS30-00007? In the other thread I posted the link to above, you said that the photographer that took the brochure photos had contacted you and you had some unpublished pictures. What do you make of the difference in bracket that Kats pointed out in the engine bay shot of the red car?

-Mike

[kats]

Thank you Kathy & Rick,

I am glad that you enjoyed this thread,

you have wonderful 00013 and 00171.

I saw a new year postcard from Mr.K to someone

there is a 240Z it's side sill painted black.

Is that car your HLS30-00013?

kats

[thorz]

So Carl (Beck), based on the first couple of posts in this thread, do you still think that the red car shown in the 1970 240Z US brochure was HLS30-00007? In the other thread I posted the link to above, you said that the photographer that took the brochure photos had contacted you and you had some unpublished pictures. What do you make of the difference in bracket that Kats pointed out in the engine bay shot of the red car?

-Mike

Hello Mike,

interesting discussion about the 1969 240z.

It's deeply interesting to see, who owns such a car. I had the pleasure to meet Kathy & Rick and lucky #13 this summer. It was breathtaking.

May I ask you: where so you have your 69 cars from?

Bezzzt,

Thorsten

[Mike B]

Hello Mike,

interesting discussion about the 1969 240z.

It's deeply interesting to see, who owns such a car. I had the pleasure to meet Kathy & Rick and lucky #13 this summer. It was breathtaking.

May I ask you: where so you have your 69 cars from?

Bezzzt,

Thorsten

Hi Thorz,

I don't want to hijack Kat's thread about HLS30-00007, but I doubt he will mind.

HLS30-00237 was my first 1969 production car and I found it in New Jersey through a Hemmings ad in Feb 2007 http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24915.

I had always wanted an early blue 240z, so when I found HLS30-00032 for sale in another Hemmings ad in March 2008, I went to see it and bought it http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29880.

Finally, I ended up buying HLS30-00210 in December 2008 after someone that had just purchased it from the original owner contacted Carl Beck and wanted someone familiar with low VIN cars to evaluate it http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32826.

I also bought HLS30-00331 along with a couple of parts cars from a guy that was local to me. However, it was a real mess so I ended up saving every thing I could from it and then scrapping it.

Even though only approximately 500 HLS30 cars were produced in 1969 many of them still exist, although many are in pretty rough condition or have lost some of their unique parts over the years. They come up for sale periodically on ebay, craigslist, Hemmings, etc. I know of a car with a VIN in the low 100's (HLS30-001xx) for sale in Canada, but it is a real project (currently a shell and parts) that will require a lot of work to put right.

-Mike