Car for sale

[spitz17]

oskidunker1,

Don't know if you're interested in purchasing an early Z or just browsing but, I have one for sale in my sig

I can also e-mail you updated pics if you like.

Other than that, good luck

[Jackhammer]

Bluntly stated, I don't see too many 1970-73 Z cars running around with Bias-Ply tires and original hubcaps on the original steel wheels. And "posed" pictures don't count, not if you normally DRIVE your car with mag wheels etc.

We continuously tell new potential owners to find "the best example" of a Z they can afford, yet we continuously point them to "projects"... that will ultimately be MUCH more expensive than examples such as the one that started this thread.

Given a choice between the e-bay ad car and that craigslist project... I'd be DRIVING my way down the road IN the Red car, rather than towing someone's failed project. There's more than $12k worth of upgrade to that project before it comes even close to the e-bay car

Enrique... I concur completely with your referenced statements. In addition the ebay car can be adjusted easily for less than 2K to satisfy the more purist of us Z lovers.

Another aspect I find interesting about these type threads and this one is headed in the same direction is the insistence of some who own Z's and typically have zero interest in buying the subject car insist on devaluing the car as much as possible. Please let me be clear here I am not referring to rust buckets but cars that have had thousands and in some cases tens of thousands spent to restore.

One conclusion I have come to is the "appraisal critiques" most likely have not done a restoration project of any depth and just don't know. In which case it would be my preference that those who fit in that category refrain from devaluing the cars we own and hope to have increase in value.

Just my opinion and something to think about.

Edited July 10, 2010 by Jackhammer

[Mike B]

If you think the ebay car that was the original subject of this thread is over priced how about this $10K parts car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Datsun-240Z-Parts-Car-3490-/400135191707?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item5d29ea7c9b. Salvage title, non-operational, really rough looking shape. I guess he is helping prop up the Z values for all of us .

-Mike

[BrianL1987]

I think the price is extreme for the car (e-bay listing) but, a pretty nice car. Would be a good buy for half of what seller is asking.

[EScanlon]

...snip... the insistence of some who own Z's and typically have zero interest in buying the subject car insist on devaluing the car as much as possible. ...snip...

One conclusion I have come to is the "appraisal critiques" most likely have not done a restoration project of any depth and just don't know....snip.

Jack, you make excellent points.

In quoting your reply, I kept one of the most poignant, IMO, as to why I personally jump so hard on this type of bashing.

IMO, those who are constantly looking to "deflate" any claims made by any seller of a Z, are the ones who are most responsible for re-sale values of these cars being and staying so low.

Their comments, when read by folks looking to buy their first Z and doing research on the marque, enforce thoughts of keeping prices low and often beget equally low and sparse offers.

IMO, some of those naysayers may only be voicing their own insecurity as to the value of their own cars.

The other point that I inferred from your thread, that I agree with is, the "schoolyard" roundtable bashing that ensues.

I can't enumerate the number of times that someone posted an ad for an otherwise beautiful vehicle being sold, and began or added to the thread with some denigrating comment. "Can you believe..."; "I almost threw up in my mouth..."; "What was this guy smoking..." are but just some of the comments that typify those posts. The banality of the comments seems to strike bottom and pull out a post hole digger.

There are two times when it's actually hilarious to read further posts from those individuals. The first is when it turns out that the seller of the car joins the forum and announces his involvement, and the second is when the seller turns out to be an existing member. You can literally hear the gears grinding as they slam their posts into reverse to try to take back their comments. Sometimes it's impossible for them to do so.

There are also times when it's obvious that the person looking to customize/modify/personalize their vehicle, simply has a different perspective on the world as it is. Even in those instances, comments and critiques can be made without seemingly quoting your 3 year old's profanity vocabulary.

If "Ca-ca", "poo-poo", and "Throwing Up in my Mouth!" are part of your opinion descriptor lexicon, then you may wish to re-think intelligent conversation... period.

Critiques oftentimes devolve into adolescent one-upmanship, with each poster looking for yet more vitriolic input to belittle the car and owner in question.

Critiques should be informative, not derogatory. Citing flaws is valid, if they are factual and NOT malicious opinions. Citing missing emblems, incorrect items, even poor repairs need not be an examination of motives, intent or suggest that the seller has nefarious purposes at heart.

Opinions are valid also, but leave the character assasination of the seller out. Even snide comments as to the car's appearance/modifications can be done -tastefully- without insulting anyone who might actually LIKE the car being discussed. A true witty comment can be right on point, yet not insulting or derogatory, and enjoyable by all.

There are times when I have had communication from folks who liked the car, who were intimidated into not saying anything about it because of the cyber-bullying taking place. That demonstrates that the roundtable bashing is not conducive to intelligent discussion. A good intelligent conversation need not be where everyone agrees completely.

Too many times to count there is a perfectly benign reason for the change or omission. Other times, it's simply due to the freedom of choice that many cite as being one of the reasons they love the Z, the freedom to personalize it and make the car their own.

If people were to reconsider their remarks with themselves in the seller/owner's position, they might find a much nicer way of stating the "obvious".

My 2¢

E

[motorman7]

I think the price is extreme for the car (e-bay listing) but, a pretty nice car. Would be a good buy for half of what seller is asking.

Here's one for less than half of what the seller is asking.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/ctd/1830609956.html

[GTTED]

Here's one for less than half of what the seller is asking.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/ctd/1830609956.html

I would jump on that car.

[Unkle]

I would jump on that car.

I wouldn't ''throw up in my mouth'' on that one either...

[Shade133]

I just saw this on Ebay. It looked pretty good(not many interior photos) until I saw the photo on flicker. Two large Circle like things in the Dash. Is this some sort of sound system that the guy is talking about. Absolutely ruined the looks of the car in my opinion. why would you do this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170510946474&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123

this guy is selling this car from fresno, ca. my home town all my life up to a few months ago.

i believe ive seen that thing drive around and its suuuuper nice.

and those speakers in the back look like a box sitting in the car, something you can definitely take out if he didnt mount them in somehow stupidly.

EDIT: i also agree with everyone saying this guy is charging WAY to much. i didnt even look at the price until i saw the posts. like ive said ive seen this car and its super nice but he's asking a price for a FULLY restored series 1 z which this is not fully restored. like many have said and i can confirm from seeing in person, the wheels are stock, the rear vents seem to be removed? the intake is off. a few weird things in the engine that can indicate mis-matching numbers. or even if their matching numbers. its missing stuff like stock air intake, valve cover. sound system is not stock.

as for the dask cover he's talking about. the pictures seem to show the original dash without a cover. which would mean he put one on to protect the dash in the future.

as for the tires. they dont look to be stock size. also. no suspension pictures, what suspension is in the car? its really hard (nearly impossible) to find stock spec suspension parts like stock springs. also how does the uniframe look? is it all dented from being jacked up?

another thing is being its a california car. he says it has 90k original miles. which can be true, but california is NOT strict on keeping track of miles on a car. ive sold cars that had over 100k miles above what the dmv thought it had and what the pink slip said it had. a lot of people just say it has a few 1000 over what it says on the pink slip when the bought it and therefor the car in the DMV's eyes stays at really low miles.

one more thing. it states that the title will be discussed down at the bottom and its not. and the fact that it was a non functioning frame off restoration probably means it was wrecked and restored. which means the title is a salvage title, unlike phoenix, az you can not have a SALVAGE RESTORED title in california. its either salvaged or not.

and if its a salvage title that comes with that vehicle. its not worth more then 4k. regardless of what you do to it.

my .02 cents

Edited July 13, 2010 by Shade133

[Shade133]

If you think the ebay car that was the original subject of this thread is over priced how about this $10K parts car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Datsun-240Z-Parts-Car-3490-/400135191707?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item5d29ea7c9b. Salvage title, non-operational, really rough looking shape. I guess he is helping prop up the Z values for all of us .

-Mike

that car is worth about 300 bucks depending on how many good parts are actually on the car

[Shade133]

check this one out.

not a fan of the 2+2 but for 2800 its nice

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/1827673276.html

here is a 72 240

really nice exterior, interior needs a lot of work and engine compartment looks rough but i bet you could talk this guy down to 4500

its been up for a while

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1828551473.html

and this is the Z i SHOULD of bought but wasnt for sale when i bought mine.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1828937015.html

Edited July 13, 2010 by Shade133

[Jackhammer]

here is a 72 240

really nice exterior, interior needs a lot of work and engine compartment looks rough but i bet you could talk this guy down to 4500

its been up for a while

OK... so I get it for $4500 and spend another $5-6K on a great refresh job and I decde to sell it for my break even cost of 10K. Is that reasonable to expect?

Edited July 13, 2010 by Jackhammer