Daves NEW Start/Stop Button Ignition System.

[Zs-ondabrain]

OK, so you all know I like to try and come up with something New into something old. I've noticed a lot of people trying to come up with a Push Button Start for their S30. The others want to use the Newer Maxima / Altima Start/Stop button. The problem has been that they still have to use the key to turn on the ignition, Cut up the wiring, Drill holes or have to make specialty brackets, etc, etc and sometimes with bad results. Such as wire fires, car won't start, electrical issues, starter won't shut off, and on and on it goes.

So after researching every ones issues with the typical DIY installs, I called a friend and we designed a unit that does what it's supposed to do. This kit uses the Nissan Maxima Start/Stop Button, All functions of the button were retained (Lock, Acc, On and center button LED's work like normal) PLUGS INTO THE DATSUN IGNITION CONNECTOR!! External relays that are easily reached and replaceable if needed, A Start circuit box that is simple to install and only requires 1) connection from the button switch, 1) connection from the relay pack and ONLY 3) wires of the 6 wires need to be connected for full operation. The remaining 3 wires are optional, as is the Plug in Security Switch, which is very small and easily hidden within 3 Ft of the box.

We've decided, after adding the price of all the parts, assembly, shipping and such, and Trying to keep it Very Competetive with other similar products and prices, The $170 w/ shipping included in the price, anywhere in the lower 48 States, was a more than fair price. For a "Plug and Play" unit, Made for the 240Z but compatible with MANY other vehicles, $170 is a Great price.

The Nissan Push to start/Stop button will go where your Keyed ignition presently resides. The hole only needs to be widened about 1/16" and 2 slots be dremeled into the shell to lock it in the correct angle. (so the button doesn't twist in the hole) The Ignition switch Will Obviously need to be removed and the owner will not have a Locking steering column afterwards.

Some of you will raise the concern of Security with a system like this. Totally understandable and is dealt with in a couple ways. If you already have an Aftermarket security system (Car Alarm) Almost all of them have a starter kill wire called a "Ground Output when Armed" and it is typically Orange in color. When the aftermarket alarm is "Armed" the Orange wire will have a Negative Ground output, which when connected to the Orange "Disengage" wire of the Start box, will stop all functions of the switch and circuitry.

The other Security Option is a Simple Plug-In Micro switch. It plugs right into the Start box, has 3 feet of wire and is easily hidden within reach of the owner. It can be mounted in the center console, dash mounted, hidden in plain sight among other switches.

So in conclusion. You can instal a Nissan Maxima Start/stop Ignition button into your S30 or other Datsuns. It will operate very similar to the Maxima. There are Security options. Only a few connections and a minimum of 3 wires to connect. The switch installs with minimal effort where your existing keyed ignition switch is. No more forgetting your keys in the ignition. Just unlock the door, put your keys back in your pocket.

After more research, I have found only a few similar products. They are Complicated, Not made specifically for your S30, Way more expensive and include a manual that tells you to ONLY have a Certified Automotive 12 volt Specialist instal their product into your car. If you know how to use a Dremel, know where the brake pedal switch is and how to follow a wire from the distributor to the coil's Positive terminal, connect a wire to it and run it in thru the firewall to the steering column area and plug in matching connectors, Then you can do this in less than an afternoon.

Below are some pictures and a video of the first run. The operations have been changed to more resemble the Maxima operation.

press once to turn on the Acc.

press again and it shuts back off.

OR

Press once to turn on Acc.

Press and hold the brake pedal then press and hold the Start button until the car starts.

Press the button again to shut the car off. leave the car.

Car will not start unless the brake pedal is being pressed while pressing the button. if the pedal is not pressed the pressing of the button will only shut the Acc back off.

I'll answer what ever questions you have.

http://video.cardomain.com/VideoPlayer.aspx?id=2202506

The last picture is of the Instal Diagram that will be in the Instal Manual that comes with the kit.

[TriDawgn]

Well let me be the first to say, very cool. As always looks well thought out. Dave, your contributions to this community never cease to amaze.

[Zs-ondabrain]

Thanks Tristan. I try.

I actually wrote this thread to get an idea of any interest in this type of product.

Does $170 (with shipping included) Sound like an ideal, reasonable price for a Plug and Play kit? A full kit that has Everything you need to be Keyless, Push Button Ignition, with built in security features and only requires 3 connections and 3 wires to be connected for a fully operational unit (and of coarse, dremeling 1/16" of the plastic steering column shell)

So let's here it guys. Would you be interested at this price? Nothing is built except for the 2 prototypes, one of which is fully operational and in my daily driven 240Z, for about 3 weeks now) I'm considering a run of 20 to keep the price down and would like to do Pre-Orders to Make sure costs are covered and the first come first served idea of the R/T mounts works for those who are interested.

PM or Email me if you are interested. wolfin32z@yahoo.com

I would like to make Donations to the Site from the sale of these. So your purchase will also help Classiczcars.com

Dave

[Zedyone_kenobi]

For me this is not an option,as I do not want to modify my mostly all stock car, but I must say your ingenuity is outstanding. If I was building a modified street Z,I would definitely buy this. VERY cool feature!

[az240z]

will this work on the 280z??

[cygnusx1]

That is a really cool application. I just might have to replace my Mobile1 oil cap starter knob for this. :bulb: BTW, $170 is a very fair price for technology of this sort. IMHO.

Edited March 14, 2011 by cygnusx1

[FastWoman]

Very cool, Dave! It's a beautiful install. I think the PERFECT system would also have some sort of transponder for security. I think some security systems have digital transponders that enable the ignition when the driver sits in the car. That would be the ultimate package.

I can see how a lot of people would want to do this mod, and I think the $170 price is reasonable. Not my cup of tea, though. I'm old fashioned, and I enjoy turning the key. Maybe someday everyone will have remote control and pushbutton starting, and then my key ignition will gain a bit more of a unique "cool" factor -- sort of like the genuine hand crank windows.

[KAL7467]

very slick and clean looking could do away with keys all together. a bit new age for my taste but I am sure with your proven track record you could sell a bunch of these especially over on hybridz

[Zs-ondabrain]

For me this is not an option,as I do not want to modify my mostly all stock car, but I must say your ingenuity is outstanding. If I was building a modified street Z,I would definitely buy this. VERY cool feature!

You're right, not an option for everyone but thanks for the compliment.

will this work on the 280z??

Yes. As long as your ignition plug is like every other S30

(2 rows of 3) 6-pin connector just like the one pictured below. Most plugs are identical with the exception of the green wire. If you don't have a Ballast resistor, then you won't likely have the green colored wire. And it will still work on your 280Z. If your wires are in the same order then you're good.

That is a really cool application. I just might have to replace my Mobile1 oil cap starter knob for this. :bulb: BTW, $170 is a very fair price for technology of this sort. IMHO.

I don't know, that cap is kinda cool. You sure you wanna replace it? Just kiddin. It'll replace the cap just fine.

Very cool, Dave! It's a beautiful install. I think the PERFECT system would also have some sort of transponder for security. I think some security systems have digital transponders that enable the ignition when the driver sits in the car. That would be the ultimate package.

I can see how a lot of people would want to do this mod, and I think the $170 price is reasonable. Not my cup of tea, though. I'm old fashioned, and I enjoy turning the key. Maybe someday everyone will have remote control and pushbutton starting, and then my key ignition will gain a bit more of a unique "cool" factor -- sort of like the genuine hand crank windows.

It definately has a "Cool Factor"

Transponders are pricey at the moment and most of the cheaper ones only have a 5" range. Which means the keys have to be placed right next to the receiver in order to work. We're looking into this as well, hopefully a 5 foot range for those with power door locks. And the ease of "As long as the keys are on your person, it'll work"

very slick and clean looking could do away with keys all together. a bit new age for my taste but I am sure with your proven track record you could sell a bunch of these especially over on hybridz

I don't like using my Notoriety to sell things but if it helps..........

I'm hoping the product will sell itself. The fact that it's keyless, Push to Start and Stop, Lights up and tells you what it's doing (Status LED's) and the ease of instal (3 connectors and only 3 of the 6 wires to make it work) the other 3 wires are optional.

Thanks guys, keepem coming.

Hybrid Z is next. I know it'll be a hit over there but you guys are family, and therefore get first dibs....

Dave

Edited March 14, 2011 by Zs-ondabrain

[jmortensen]

Dave was over the other day helping me wire up my race car and I got to see this switch in person. There is a lot more to replacing the ignition switch than just putting a button in its place, but he has really done all the figuring for you. I hope you sell a ton of em Dave.

[soundmasterg]

This is pretty cool Dave! You can count me in for one. I had been considering how I would do something of this sort but you've got all the figuring done already!

Greg

[Zealous]

I would be interested if you could work out the transponder solution. However, to answer your question the $170 sounds more than fair to me. Great work and I hope you sell lots of them.