October 11, 201113 yr comment_368864 I like this concept from 2008: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/20/design-study-nissan-240-fairlady-z-successor/ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 11, 201113 yr comment_368880 The modern day sports car is a heavy weight by design. Not that the car designer want's it to be, but because of mandated safety regulations (USA, if not all the world). The modern continuation of the Z-car, the 370z is almost 4,000 pounds and has every creature comfort known to man. You can strip it down and it will still be over 3,000 pounds. And most modern sports cars are in the sedan class being a 2+2.I don't think it would be possible to design and build a "modern" purist coupe sports car that weighs in at 2,500 pounds and is street legal.You might try a new Mazda MX5 on for size. Virtually a match the 240Z for wheelbase, height, width, OAL. just shy of 2600 lbs with a retractable hardtop and 100 lbs less with a soft top. 6 speed, 167 HP, fabulous handling and good fuel economy. Starting at $23,000 which, by the way is equivalent to $4,000 in 1970, it's the modern day Z. Steve Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 11, 201113 yr comment_368883 BMW has a car that looks about right and has a Z emblem. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 11, 201113 yr comment_368962 You might try a new Mazda MX5 on for size. Virtually a match the 240Z for wheelbase, height, width, OAL. just shy of 2600 lbs with a retractable hardtop and 100 lbs less with a soft top. 6 speed, 167 HP, fabulous handling and good fuel economy. Starting at $23,000 which, by the way is equivalent to $4,000 in 1970, it's the modern day Z. SteveOh, neat car. It's the continuation of the Miata. My sister-in-law has a first generation Miata and some of the guys at the track drive Miatas (first gen). Fun cars and they get around the track very well. In fact, I'm surprised that they go as fast as they do down the back straight considering they got a sewing machine motor. One of them (good driver) can keep up with the front runners consisting of BMWs and other "big motor" cars. They're so popular there's even a Spec Miata class. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 11, 201113 yr comment_368978 Back in 1970 when the 240Z came out it was generally not considered a sports car by any of the car magazines. It was termed a Grand Touring car along the same lines as the Porsche 911 and Jaguar XKE Coupe. Back then sports cars were convertibles. Over the years, that opinion has changed. Given today's safety requirements and customer's content expectations its probably impossible to make a car like the original 240Z that weighs less then 2700 lbs. And whether we want it or not is irrelevant. We so small a market that we are basically non-existent. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 12, 201113 yr comment_368994 Back in 1970 when the 240Z came out it was generally not considered a sports car by any of the car magazines. It was termed a Grand Touring car along the same lines as the Porsche 911 and Jaguar XKE Coupe. Back then sports cars were convertibles. Over the years, that opinion has changed. Given today's safety requirements and customer's content expectations its probably impossible to make a car like the original 240Z that weighs less then 2700 lbs. And whether we want it or not is irrelevant. We so small a market that we are basically non-existent.Why wouldn't you consider a Miata MX5 as similar to a 240Z? From a dimensional standpoint it's the pretty much the same sized car. From a wheel base and track perspective it's a larger car. In net HP numbers about 40-45 more. At 2500 lbs for a base model it seems that if Mazda had made it a 2 seat coupe instead of a soft top they could easily stay under 2700 lb. Price wise it's still in the ballpark adjusted for inflation. Steve Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 12, 201113 yr comment_368998 I walked out of a tackle shop last weekend to find a couple of blokes inspecting my "Precious". (That's my wife's nick name for the Zed). We goty to talking about Zeds (of course), and one bloke said he was in the process of rebuilding a 240 that he had bought cheap. (No engine, gearbox or diff), and his intention was to use as many 350Z parts as possible. I gave him the contact details of the car club I'm in and can hardly wait to see the final result. Won't be for a while but I'll try to remember to take lots of pics.Rick. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 12, 201113 yr comment_368999 I like this concept from 2008:[ATTACH=CONFIG]48656[/ATTACH] http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/20/design-study-nissan-240-fairlady-z-successor/ I would have to have one of those! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-368999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 12, 201113 yr comment_369015 Why wouldn't you consider a Miata MX5 as similar to a 240Z? Where did I say that? Yes, the Miata is very similar to the 240Z. But if you think a MX5 is a 2,500 lb. car you haven't put one on a set of scales. I scaled a MX5 MSM a few months ago and it came in at 2,710. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-369015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 28, 201213 yr comment_385535 Where did I say that? Yes, the Miata is very similar to the 240Z. But if you think a MX5 is a 2,500 lb. car you haven't put one on a set of scales. I scaled a MX5 MSM a few months ago and it came in at 2,710.Just using the manufacturers numbers for a BASE model. MSM is far from that. You said..."Given today's safety requirements and customer's content expectations its probably impossible to make a car like the original 240Z that weighs less then 2700 lbs". I gave an example of car produced today that illustrates my point. Subaru BRZ Is claimed to weigh in just over 2700 lbs. But it's a bigger car than a 240Z. Impossible?Steve Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-385535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 28, 201213 yr comment_385544 Delayed reaction? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-385544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 28, 201213 yr comment_385552 Lotus. Their whole existence has been based on the "light is might" motto. Their exige is basically a street legal go cart: http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/our-cars/current-range/exige-sIve seen used lotus Elise models for around 30k Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/41004-if-i-were-designing-a-modern-240z/?&page=2#findComment-385552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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