March 10, 201213 yr comment_383636 Thanks for regurgitating Carl Beck's information, Michael, but I still want to know how you figure February 1970 was the lowest production month. Of course, that would be lowest production month of HLS30U types in 1970, wouldn't it? Production in Novermber of 1969, say, would have been lower, don't you think? And you say; "straight from the nissan plant." I would like to see that, please. Published information originating from Nissan Motor Company, Ltd. at that period of time is fairly rare. Also, I have a couple of comments about what you have read on Carl's site. Carl is talking exclusively about HLS30U types and does not account for any of the other types. In that respect, he isn't accurate with some of the things he writes. For instance, HLS30-00013 is most definitely not the first regular production 240Z sold to the public. It may very well be the lowest vin HLS30U sold to the public, but Carl has no idea when it was sold or if the sale preceeded the sale of an S30 type, S30-S type, HS30 type, or PS30 type. Another instance would be his reference to the first 25 produced being held by the manufacturer. Research has shown that (1) the first 25 produced were not exclusively HLS30 types, and (2) engineering, safety, and manufacturing studies were complete far before the S30 was placed into production.I would love to see the car and hope someone decides to restore it, but alas, I am on the other end of the country. Post some good pictures! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 10, 201213 yr Author comment_383647 Hi i must have worded wrong what i meant was february was the lowest production month for 240z starting in 1970.yes 69 was much lower. trying to figure out the picture thing'Thanks for regurgitating Carl Beck's information, Michael, but I still want to know how you figure February 1970 was the lowest production month. Of course, that would be lowest production month of HLS30U types in 1970, wouldn't it? Production in Novermber of 1969, say, would have been lower, don't you think? And you say; "straight from the nissan plant." I would like to see that, please. Published information originating from Nissan Motor Company, Ltd. at that period of time is fairly rare. Also, I have a couple of comments about what you have read on Carl's site. Carl is talking exclusively about HLS30U types and does not account for any of the other types. In that respect, he isn't accurate with some of the things he writes. For instance, HLS30-00013 is most definitely not the first regular production 240Z sold to the public. It may very well be the lowest vin HLS30U sold to the public, but Carl has no idea when it was sold or if the sale preceeded the sale of an S30 type, S30-S type, HS30 type, or PS30 type. Another instance would be his reference to the first 25 produced being held by the manufacturer. Research has shown that (1) the first 25 produced were not exclusively HLS30 types, and (2) engineering, safety, and manufacturing studies were complete far before the S30 was placed into production.I would love to see the car and hope someone decides to restore it, but alas, I am on the other end of the country. Post some good pictures! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 10, 201213 yr comment_383653 I kind of figured that's what you were talking about, Michael. I don't recall seeing monthly production figures in 1970 but I could be wrong. Seems like it has been discussed before? Oh well, I'm interested in that sort of thing. Geek or not! Ha, ha! Yea, I fit that description. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 10, 201213 yr comment_383658 I will go take some pictures here on my lunch when i referred to lowest production month there was only 950 about total manufactured in 2/70 508 in Feb and these are rough numbers but i believe it was around 5,300 first half of 70Pretty close - 5870 in the first half and 12,000 second half Pretty close - 12,081THE 1970 production was a little slow to get started i believe around 5 or 6 thousand produced first half of 70 about 12 thousand second half total of around 17 thousand 17,951feb. was the lowest production month in 1970 less than a thousand and that is straight from the nissan plant Well - somewhat indirectly from the production plant. Kats was given pictures of the production schedule boards several years ago.FWIW,Carl B. Edited March 10, 201213 yr by Carl Beck Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 10, 201213 yr comment_383664 The data is available at Zhome.com: (actually, it looks like a copy / paste of an earlier version of the page)http://zhome.com/History/69ZArticle.htmlEHi E:Good observation - an older version was being loaded. Fixed the code - latest update was 22 Mar. 2011. Only a couple more reported "found".thanks,Carl B. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 10, 201213 yr comment_383670 As far as I am aware, the Nissan Shatai production data only differentiates between 'Domestic' and 'Export'. Therefore it does not differentiate between how many HS30s and HLS30s were made in any particular month, or indeed exactly how many of those HLS30s were North American market models. Well - somewhat indirectly from the production plant. Ha ha. I see what you did there.....Kats was given pictures of the production schedule boards several years ago.Would be nice of you to quote your source on zhome.com. Or is that part of that latest 'update'?By the way, they were production records, not schedules. Results, not predictions. Edited March 10, 201213 yr by HS30-H Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 11, 201213 yr comment_383734 There is a possibility that HLS30-00076 has been restored. I will find out more information on this VIN in May or June.Bonzi Lon Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 13, 201213 yr Author comment_383942 Hi guys took me a few days to figure out pictures here are some. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 13, 201213 yr Author comment_383944 not really a lot of rust Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 13, 201213 yr comment_383947 Appears to have a significant amount of rust. It that cracked & bubbled Bondo on the rear hatch or just bubbled paint?Dennis Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 13, 201213 yr comment_383949 Not really a lot of "not rust" is what you mean I think... When previously painted interior machine screw heads are rusty (map light), its been in a very moist enviroment for a long time. Nearly every picture shows signs of the monster. Still, it has potential. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 13, 201213 yr comment_383950 Dash heater panel has been replaced with a later one. Both the center vent and map light hood are incorrect for a Series 1. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/42558-old-barn-find-1970-240z-series-1-in-decent-shape-mfg-date-270-lowest-mfg-month-907/?&page=2#findComment-383950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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