Posted April 27, 201212 yr comment_388465 It's been this way for some time (back when the car was last driving—in '04). Now I'm finally addressing it. The dash/parking lights wouldn't come on, and the culprit was the fuse you see. The metal part wasn't broken, but the left end was corroded and melted, which caused the break. I replaced it with a new one, and immediately smelled burning and the terminal area was too hot to touch. Do I have a short somewhere in the dash/parking light circuit? If so are there any typical places to look? I can fix mechanical stuff, but electrics are a bit of a black art to me. Hence the reason I'm restoring a Z and not something with Lucas electrics. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388466 MSA has an upgrade for this that provides modern blade fuses instead of the old glass fuses. It's well worth the price. I doubt you have a wiring issue. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr Author comment_388468 I was going to ask about that but I didn't want to pepper you guys with too many questions. Awesome—I'll look into that for sure. Why would the fuse terminal get so hot if I didn't have a wiring issue? Heat = too much current = short somewhere. Right? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388474 BoldUlysses said: Why would the fuse terminal get so hot if I didn't have a wiring issue? Heat = too much current = short somewhere. Right?Heat = too much resistance. Too much resistance in the loose and corroded fuse terminal on one end.Yes - a dead short will draw too much current and because the wires are too small to carry it - they get hot, and in a good circuit the fuse will blow. If there is no fuse between the battery and the short in the circuit - then the wires will melt.FWIW,Carl B. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388488 Matt, look for my Sold on LEDs thread. Replacing the incandescent bulbs with LEDs will drop current flow through the circuit greatly. Also consider getting the parking light relay harness from Dave Irwin, aka Zs-Ondabrain. Also, unless you have more fuse boxes lying around, you might need to get the replacement fuse box from MSA. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388499 FAIW, while that fuse box might be slightly unsightly, there's nothing wrong with it functionally. Just clean the metal with distilled vinegar, dry, and lightly coat with a bit of silicone dielectric grease. Then you'll have excellent contacts with very little resistance and therefore very little heat. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388517 FastWoman said: FAIW, while that fuse box might be slightly unsightly, there's nothing wrong with it functionally. Just clean the metal with distilled vinegar, dry, and lightly coat with a bit of silicone dielectric grease. Then you'll have excellent contacts with very little resistance and therefore very little heat.Unless the clips have lost their temper. When they overheat they can lose the spring temper and the pressure to hold the fuse will be too light and the resistance will be high enough to allow a recurrence. In this case replacement clips could be used if you want to keep the OE fuse box badly. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr Author comment_388528 Carl Beck said: Heat = too much resistance. Too much resistance in the loose and corroded fuse terminal on one end.Yes - a dead short will draw too much current and because the wires are too small to carry it - they get hot, and in a good circuit the fuse will blow. If there is no fuse between the battery and the short in the circuit - then the wires will melt. FWIW, Carl B. Carl— Thanks for clearing that up. SteveJ said: Matt, look for my Sold on LEDs thread. Replacing the incandescent bulbs with LEDs will drop current flow through the circuit greatly. Also consider getting the parking light relay harness from Dave Irwin, aka Zs-Ondabrain. Also, unless you have more fuse boxes lying around, you might need to get the replacement fuse box from MSA. Good tips, Steve. I'll look up your thread. LEDs aren't really considered by the BMW world because of the cars' self-monitoring systems—if resistance in a circuit drops too low (either by a light out or installing LEDs), a dash warning trips on. But our Zs don't have that "protection." FastWoman said: FAIW, while that fuse box might be slightly unsightly, there's nothing wrong with it functionally. Just clean the metal with distilled vinegar, dry, and lightly coat with a bit of silicone dielectric grease. Then you'll have excellent contacts with very little resistance and therefore very little heat. Good to know. I might do that just to get the car running. Will definitely replace the fusebox in the long run. beermanpete said: Unless the clips have lost their temper. When they overheat they can lose the spring temper and the pressure to hold the fuse will be too light and the resistance will be high enough to allow a recurrence. In this case replacement clips could be used if you want to keep the OE fuse box badly. . The OE fusebox is trashed, cover melted, etc... Good points about the temper, though. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388558 BoldUlysses said: Good tips, Steve. I'll look up your thread. LEDs aren't really considered by the BMW world because of the cars' self-monitoring systems—if resistance in a circuit drops too low (either by a light out or installing LEDs), a dash warning trips on. But our Zs don't have that "protection." To be pedantic (a trait that I'm good at ), LEDs have high resistance and low current. An incandescent bulb is a piece of wire that glows because of low resistance and relatively high current. As you noted, the Z does not monitor resistance in lighting circuits, so there are no worries about using LEDs. Though, I believe LED vendors are also selling devices to fool the onboard systems that do monitor resistance. It would essentially be a bypass for the circuit. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388565 The only issue with the LEDs is the turn signals. Some flasher units are load (current) dependent and won't flash if the load is wrong. You can get flashers for different loads or get the heavy duty type which is not load dependent. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 27, 201212 yr comment_388566 beermanpete said: The only issue with the LEDs is the turn signals. Some flasher units are load (current) dependent and won't flash if the load is wrong. You can get flashers for different loads or get the heavy duty type which is not load dependent.Very true. I put the part number in a post in the Sold on LEDs thread. It was the Bussmann 232. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 28, 201212 yr comment_388583 SteveJ said: Very true. I put the part number in a post in the Sold on LEDs thread. It was the Bussmann 232.bad contacts in the turn signal lights listed under the common z car problems. Maybe take a look at all your parking lights and see if you have some of the same problems. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/43066-melted-fusebox/#findComment-388583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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