its a damn good moral: money cant buy you happiness (friends,everything)

Have to agree with a lot of you that George Snr should have done it right when there were 1/2 million troops from 20 countries over ther 12 years ago.

One doing the round down here in Oz is:

How does Goerge Bush know Saddam has weapons of Mass Destruction?

He kept the receipts.

Oops

PS My son is in the Ozzie defence forces and on his way over.

Drecord asks why U.S. allies are always behind, never in front.

Don't know if you are old enough to remember Viet Nam mate.

During that time we might not have been in front of you BUT we were not behind you mate, we were BESIDE you.

I was in the first Aussie battallion to go to Viet Nam in '65 and we were attached to the 173rd Airborne as it's third infantry unit.

With the poor excuse for a defence force we have in Australia we do the best we can with what we've got.

Never fear mate, if the U.N. says "Go For It". we'll be BESIDE you again.

Rick.

Anything new under the sun ?

What can you do without France? Well a lot I guess, and there is also a lot that you could do with them! This isn’t going very far. Lets see it an other way, will you. What have the French done that you wouldn’t do?

Well 60 years ago, while they had the great Colonial Empire, the French gave a lot of good advice to the world, like the arrogant young nation they where (only one century and a half after the Nation was born), they wanted to rule the world against the will of all their ‘allies”. They were up there, confident and sure to have the right with them. Well they had their butt kicked. Today the Empire is long gone… and if the French speak today, it’s with the voice of a nation older, maybe wiser? They just say, don’t do the same mistake we did, “Democracy” isn’t the power of the mass, it’s the protection of the minority. So don’t go against the world, listen and learn and I am sure that you could succeed where we have failed.

And above all do not take all you see, read, hear for granted… France isn’t the French government, like all American are not thinking like your president…

It’s only my modest 2 cents, I still have a few left in my pocket.

And by the way, nothing for Doehring ? how unfare!!!! Take care, Fred

THANK YOU !!!

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. . . .I was in the first Aussie battallion to go to Viet Nam in '65 and we were attached to the 173rd Airborne as it's third infantry unit.. . . .

. . . . Never fear mate, if the U.N. says "Go For It". we'll be BESIDE you again. . . .

Rick.

Originally posted by Caen Fred

And above all do not take all you see, read, hear for granted… France isn’t the French government, like all American are not thinking like your president…

A very good point Fred! and well taken.

Originally posted by 1 Bravo 6

Don't know if you are old enough to remember Viet Nam mate.

During that time we might not have been in front of you BUT we were not behind you mate, we were BESIDE you.

Rick:

Some of us are old enough to remember that the Aussies, and a very few others were therfe with us. Their (your) contributions were and still are appreciated.

However the sad thing is that none of us should have been there in the first place. Which is another reason that I feel we should be damn sure of what this one is all about before we start a war.

Regards, Carl

Not going to add a helluva lot here, just say i concur with Carl (bambik..) And thanks Australia- wanna trade countries with Canada? JUST KIDDING GUYS!!

I just gotta get into this! The thing that really astounds me is that a large percentage of the population of the U.S. believes anything that comes out of the mouth of this President, Ari Fleisher (sp), or Rumsfeld, Powell, etc , or any President we have ever had. Or that their opinions are formed by 15 sec snippets on the evening news. Assuming that they do watch. I do not understand how anyone can believe anything said by 99% of the politicians in the U.S. Just because el Presidente said it does not make it true! Cynic-one who believes that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest. Glad to get that off my chest. My wife gets tired of hearing it although she believes much the same. I think I will take a drive and take it out on third gear.

1) No we don't want to swap with Canada - its too bloody cold.

2) Who put Saddam into power in the first place? - CIA

3) Who was the head of the CIA at that time? -

:stupid:

Perhaps GWB is being being so aggressive at the moment because he realises that the US was late for the last two world wars and doesn't want to make the same mistake again.

:cheeky:

I think this thread has the potential to get out of hand. I hope no one is offended but what I or anyone else has written. No one wants war but I believe sometimes, as a last resort, it is necessary. If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction that he would use against any of us, or sell on to someone else who would, then the situation has to be dealt with quickly and effectively. If all of this chest beating is to create a smoke screen for domestic issues then he deserves a weapon of mass destruction up his arse.

Australia needs to support the US because we would expect some reciprocation esp. if Indonesia decided it wanted to invade. If you think Cuba close to the US is uncomfortable - think about the largest Muslim population in the world a short distance from one of the longest (virtually) unprotected length of coastline in the world.

Just my 0.0340592 AUc worth.

When proof of violations is found and presented, we have the right and obligation to act

The resolution that ended the gulf war stated that Saddam must prove that he have destroyed all weapons of mass destruction & dismantled the programs that research such. This means that we don't have to find SH*T! If he does not PROVE that he has DESTROYED all of the weapons ect. he is in violation. All those MILLIONS of chemical and biological weapons did not just slip through a crack and he has not showen that they have been destroyed.

I would like to note that australia did fight in vietnam with us. My father fought there for three tours. I would like to say that when people talk of our allies they usually speak of England and such, but was england in nam with use? I think not. Australia even though it is usually eclipsed by our larger allies is never the less one of our closest. Thank you Australia.