Hatch Hinge Seals Painted from Factory?

[marvelous240Z]

Can anyone tell me if the hatch hinge seals were painted body color from the factory? It seems a little odd to paint over rubber but I know the hinges and body bolts were installed prior to paint and then the actual hatch and hatch screws were assembled afterwards. Were the seals installed prior to paint or were the hinges removed from the body after paint to install these seals?

Attached is a picture showing the area I am referring to. Right now the car is in primer.

Thanks,

Matt

[siteunseen]

The 2 sided with the top under the hatch is NOT on my 240 or 280, both are black rubber. Looks like they would have been put on after painting. it has original paint. My 240 looks the same.

Edited April 22, 2013 by siteunseen

[marvelous240Z]

Interesting. I am a little confused about your picture though. It looks like you don't have any seals at all. Could you possible post a picture from a different angle?

Thanks,

Matt

[Arne]

All three of my '71's obviously had the hinge sock/seal inserted and the hinge bolted in prior to painting the body. I can't find any pictures that show that right now, but it's true. The part of the rubber flange that protruded from under the hinge plate was painted, as was the hinge and the two big screw heads holding the hinges to the body. The hatches, on the other hand, were painted separately, as the screw heads for hatch attachment were unpainted.

[AZ-240z]

Hi Matt,

I am almost certain that the hatch hinges along with the hinge shims and hinge seals were mounted on the car, without the hatch, and painted at the factory. Two things I

do know for certain are, the hex head phillips machine screws that securing the hinges to the body ARE PAINTED. The two flat head phillips machine screws that secure the

hatch to the hinges were NOT PAINTED. This can be seen in the picture attached in siteunseen's post. I had done a lot of research when restoring my car to verify the finish

of these machine screws.

Some of my reasoning to come to this conclusion is, had the hinges been painted separately, or mounted without the seals during the factory painting process, the process of putting those hinges on the car, or mounted unpainted seals after painting the hinges, would have probably marred the hex head machine screws in the process of installation. Knowing that these particular machine screws were indeed painted, they would have needed to be repainted or retouched ( not a very efficient process to me).

Hope this helps.

Dan

Original Owner/hls30-20419/ Gold Medallion

Curses, you beat me again, Arne!

Edited April 22, 2013 by AZ-240z

[siteunseen]

I'm confused too. I don't know which gasket your referring to but here are more pictures. Hope that they help.

OK, your talking about seals not rubber gasket for weather stripping.

Edited April 23, 2013 by siteunseen

[marvelous240Z]

Thank you very much for all your observations. I agree that what both of you said. Dan you bring up some very good points. One thing that had me wondering though is it is possible that the bolts were removed after paint without them getting marred up. For example some body shops will hang the fenders with the upper fender bolts loose during the paint job so they can be removed without tearing up the finish.

I guess that doesn't answer the question though on how they can be finally torqued down without the bolts getting marred. I would imagine the hatch hinge bolts need to be pretty tight.

Matt

[marvelous240Z]

Yes siteunseen I am talking about the rubber cups that go behind the hinge, not the gasket. Attached is a picture of the seal I am referring to. It doesn't look like you have them. hmmm...

[siteunseen]

I just found that old thread with those pictures. http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/help-me/12771-rear-hatch-hinge-seals-2.html Seems like the part number goes to 1973. Those pictures are of my '77 280, I'm about to go look at the '72 240. I was WAY off, sorry.

[Captain Obvious]

So the factory didn't put those hatch hinge seals on the later cars?

I don't think I have them on my 77 either, but I have no idea if that's because of the factory or my PO.

[Captain Obvious]

So are the later year cars supposed to have those hatch seals or not?

Anybody?

[siteunseen]

I read somewhere, Coutesey Nissan I think, those were available part #'s to 1975. My June of '72 does not have them either, probably from previous owners 10ft paint job.

EDIT: Here's what I read http://shop.jdm-car-parts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=313

Edited April 25, 2013 by siteunseen