Hi,

In Japan,a very interesting book was issued for all the S30 fans recently.

Mr.Uemura was an engineer of Nissan ,he did great job especially chassis and compornets layout , not only that, he also was a chief of the test crew of 240Z in the US and Canada Oct -Dec 1969.

So many new fucts we see in the book!! I have to tell you soon.

Kats

Edited July 5, 201410 yr by kats

I have to respond just so I don't miss updates to this thread. Thanks, Kats.

Me also Kats, thanks for the info

Thanks for the interests,

To begin with,see this menue for the prototypes.

Jul 1967 chassis test car /5cars with temporaly exterior No chassis #

#1 heat prove/noise & vibration/high speed Durability

#2 suspention/rough road

#3 elgonomics/brake system/noise & vibration/performance

#4 stress/noise & vibration/rough road

#5 Durability

Nov 1967 1st group of prototype / 11 cars No chassis #

#1 L24A LHD Belgium road test

#2 L16A LHD rough road test

#3 G8B LHD 180hp Solex performance test (G8B means S20)

#4 L24A LHD performance test

#5 L24A LHD for Nissan Shatai

#6 L20A RHD automatic transmission/high speed test

#7 L20A RHD 160hp Solex daily driver ability test

#8 G8B RHD 160hp Solex Belgium road test

#9 L24A LHD noise & vibration test/replaced to L16A later

#10 L24A LHD hot weather test

#11 G8B RHD 230hp Weber rough road Durability test

Sorry for my poor interprit, they may not be correct in some of them.

I did not know 4 cylinder L16A was considered and tested for the Z! I thought 4 cylinder idea was only for exterior design sturdy.

Also S20 for LHD!

L engine with Solex was L20A 160hp,not L24A.

Very interesting!

Kats

Edited July 5, 201410 yr by kats

Hi Kats:

Thanks for sharing the new information you have found. Very interesting - now we might have a better idea of what cars we are seeing in some of the Crash Safety Tests as well.

I did not know 4 cylinder L16A was considered and tested for the Z! I thought 4 cylinder idea was only for exterior design sturdy.

I believe it was you that Posted the following Image here some time ago.

Do you know yet - how to order a copy of the book on line?

thanks,

Carl B.

Edited July 5, 201410 yr by Carl Beck

Hi Kats:

Thanks for sharing the new information you have found. Very interesting - now we might have a better idea of what cars we are seeing in some of the Crash Safety Tests as well.

I believe it was you that Posted the following Image here some time ago.

Do you know yet - how to order a copy of the book on line?

thanks,

Carl B.

Carl,

If you think the 'Fairlady Z 160' emblems were a reference to the L16 then you are already barking up the wrong tree.

As was noted in the source of the original photo, the '160' referred to the 160PS rating of the S20 (G8B) twin cam engine.

I very much doubt that any emblems were produced for the (single...) L16-engined prototype, as it was soon dropped.

Kats,

GREAT stuff from Uemura san! Thank you.

Remember we talked some time ago about the rumours of an early prototype being tested in mainland Europe? Seems it was true...

I think we know what happened to the LHD S20-engined car, don't we...?!

Hi Carl,

I think the book is a Japanese magazine issued early 1970,I will check it when I am home .

Mr.Uemura told 'We also had 19 moch-ups, to follow up those tests of 11 complete test cars'

They were

12 crash test

2 seatbelt & mounting stress test

2 body stress & vibration test

2 engine room moch-up

1 wiper test cut body

Is this model available in the US?

?????????????????????Z? | ?????? Eaglemoss Ltd

I will pay aprox.150000 JPY when I complete !!And will take 2 years to finish.

The most valuable thing of this model and you will be pleased is, a DVD of an old film making Fairlady-Z. I am not happy with the model ,I expected much more high quality in this price range. However I have the DVD!! This is awsome.

It is not co-oparation of Mr.Uemura & Eagle Moss,but after reading the book I noticed there are lots of test cars discribed in the book are seen in this DVD.

Running test cars have different C piller, different tail lights, different interior trim & color e.t.c. So the design team were still working hard at that time.

Kats

Edited July 7, 201410 yr by kats

Hi Alan!

Yes of cource I remember you let me see the picture of the LHD S20 car,that car

is proved of its existance by this book!

About Belgium road,Mr.Uemura told it was a simulated road in Oppama factory.

The factory lmported blicks from Belgium where the road replaced to modern then blicks were not needed.

The test road was extreamly tough for test cars, body and axle & suspention.

Like 510 ,Cedric, they set a target 4000Km running test, but for S30 was 2000Km because the car was not considered as a TAXI.

Kats

Carl,

If you think the 'Fairlady Z 160' emblems were a reference to the L16 then you are already barking up the wrong tree.

As was noted in the source of the original photo, the '160' referred to the 160PS rating of the S20 (G8B) twin cam engine.

I very much doubt that any emblems were produced for the (single...) L16-engined prototype, as it was soon dropped.

Kats,

GREAT stuff from Uemura san! Thank you.

Remember we talked some time ago about the rumours of an early prototype being tested in mainland Europe? Seems it was true...

I think we know what happened to the LHD S20-engined car, don't we...?!

Kats,

This is great news. Just the kind of book that needs to be translated into English- something with some real stories and facts. Anyone in the group have any thoughts about how to help make that happen?

I'd be happy to make some phone calls to some publishers, under my pseudonym - "Al Goertzovich". Or better "Nicht Goertzovich".

Edited July 7, 201410 yr by xs10shl

Kats,

This is great news. Just the kind of book that needs to be translated into English- something with some real stories and facts. Anyone in the group have any thoughts about how to help make that happen?

I'd be happy to make some phone calls to some publishers, under my pseudonym - "Al Goertzovich". Or better "Nicht Goertzovich".

Hi xs10shl,

That is what I want to say.This book is must be spread

all over the world. I am for sure the book is deserved it .

And xs10shl, can I see you on Sunday 9th

or 10th ?

I will send PM soon .

Kats

About Belgium road,Mr.Uemura told it was a simulated road in Oppama factory.

The factory lmported blicks from Belgium where the road replaced to modern then blicks were not needed.

The test road was extreamly tough for test cars, body and axle & suspention.

It's OK Kats, I was only joking about European mainland testing - although we know that did come later, and that a rally test car was certainly in the south of France in January 1970.

Of course, Belgian 'pavé' surface was always one of the auto industry testing standards. Many test courses include a pavé section. It's very harsh to drive on, and hurts the driver just as much as the car. I had to take a short cut across a section of pavé at the Longcross test course here in the UK (it was for a magazine photo shoot) and immediately my interior mirror fell off...!

Here's a clip from the film you mentioned, showing one of the disguised test cars on that Belgian pavé surface at Oppama:

Alan,

I am very interested in the early Europe test too,we keep our passion to finding the

more details and stories, my next plan is having an interview with

Mr.Takei as a chief crew of the Europe 240Z development team.

Alan, posting crips from the DVD is very helpful,everyone can see the interesting

details.

Here is a question for all of you,

What is a true reason for the size and shape of the floor tunnel ?

A: To install a BorgWaner auto transmission.

B: To maximize ability of installation on a production assembly line

C: To install a Nissan President V8 engine

What is your answer?

Kats

Edited July 8, 201410 yr by kats