Real638 Posted October 29, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2014 I've owned my '78 (a Black Pearl) since '81. It hasn't been driven since about '90. Over the past few months I've been working on getting the old girl running, (which it does - sort of). It has 184K on it & the engine has never been apart. Original down to the injectors, timing gear/chain, etc.. While replacing manifold gaskets I noticed a lot of oily goo on the block coming from under the edge of the head at the #4 cyl. Today, while replacing valve stem seals, I found out where it was coming from. The head bolt between #4 intake & #5 exhaust is broken & obviously had been for a long time. I planned on rebuilding the head anyway, & the machine shop can take care of the broken bolt. Cam turns free so there is little or no warp of the head. Again this engine has never been apart so --- my guess is some guy doing engine assembly at the factory broke it. Since the car would run fine, he simply left it rather than pulling an otherwise good engine of the line. Anybody had a similar experience? By the way, while replacing the clutch, (also original), I found one flywheel bolt had backed out almost half way. All the others were torqued to spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteunseen Posted October 29, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 29, 2014 My '77 had one rolling around in it's N47 head. I didn't know what it was at first, the recess for the hex bit was completely full of carbon. I figured it broke over time, heating and cooling down of stressed bolt. Replaced with the ZX turbo bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conedodger Posted October 29, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 29, 2014 It broke over time. Heat cooling cycles do that. Very common in Porsche 911 SC 3.0 liter motors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hr369 Posted October 29, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Hopefully there is enough sticking up above the block surface that they can get a tool on it to extract it or weld on another bolt. My 78 also had a broken head bolt too. I bought a set of craftsman bolt extractors to get mine out. They're the kind that you hammer down over the top of the broken bolt and it cuts in. Then you just wrench it out. Fortunately i had about 1/2" sticking out above the block surface.I replaced the bolts with a set of turbo bolts for a little bit better clamping force and hopefully betterelasticity.You're saving yourself alot of grief having the machine shop fix it. Edited October 29, 2014 by hr369 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real638 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted October 30, 2014 It broke over time. Heat cooling cycles do that. Very common in Porsche 911 SC 3.0 liter motors.I love these theoretical discussions. Had the same on the subject of the always broken rear manifold stud a few months ago. I've broken lots of bolts & studs off in lots of engines - always with a twisting motion. I absolutely agree that heat & time weaken them. But I have difficulty with the concept that heat stress alone will cause a bolt to simply break. If it has been cracked, even so small as to be invisible, the two factors together seem the much more likely culprit. Thats been my idea on the manifold stud break. The stress put on it when the engine is lifted cracks it. Maybe not visibly, but enough so that heat then takes its toll & eventually it breaks where the crack was - where the stud goes into the head. I'll be keeping the machine shop busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Head Posted October 30, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 30, 2014 This web page does a good job, in my opinion, of explaining cyclic loading based fatigue, and how it is different from yield strength. You only get so many cycles. Cracking or other stress-risers play a part also. Metal Fatigue and The Factors Which Influence Fatigue, by EPI Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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