August 16, 20186 yr comment_555358 Those look like the same rotors I just installed. I am fairly confidant these are the original bolts and washers that I replated. They are slightly recessed when torqued. I had to go double check after you posted this Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 16, 20186 yr comment_555371 Be careful with those newly coated wheel flanges. The coating can get squishy and compress, allowing the lug nuts to loosen. There are stories. Mating surfaces are best metal to metal. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 16, 20186 yr Author comment_555381 Those look like the same rotors I just installed. I am fairly confidant these are the original bolts and washers that I replated. They are slightly recessed when torqued. I had to go double check after you posted this What did you torque yours to? I couldn’t find the torque spec in the FSM so I went with what is in the Chilton, which is 43-54 pounds. I’m thinking that might be part of it. As soon as I can I’ll pull a bolt and check the measurements to verify that. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 16, 20186 yr comment_555389 2 hours ago, Matthew Abate said: What did you torque yours to? I couldn’t find the torque spec in the FSM so I went with what is in the Chilton, which is 43-54 pounds. I’m thinking that might be part of it. As soon as I can I’ll pull a bolt and check the measurements to verify that. I used the value out of Haynes. It was somewhere in that range, about 40 pounds. I don't think that is the problem. I think your bolts are 5mm too long Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr Author comment_555553 I used the value out of Haynes. It was somewhere in that range, about 40 pounds. I don't think that is the problem. I think your bolts are 5mm too long Yep. Z Car Depot said they get these from Nissan, so they are looking into it to see if they can figure out something better. Note that the thread count is fine and it is the unthreaded shank that is way to long by at least 1.5 millimeters. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr comment_555557 1 hour ago, Matthew Abate said: Yep. Z Car Depot said they get these from Nissan, so they are looking into it to see if they can figure out something better. Note that the thread count is fine and it is the unthreaded shank that is way to long by at least 1.5 millimeters. And the OEM bolt head is thicker. Would be interesting to mic from the bottom of the bolt head to the end of the threads on each one for reference Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr Author comment_555558 I just got off the phone with them. They had only checked them on 260/280Zs so that’s part of the problem. My options are find some OEM ones (just emailed Jim), find thicker lock washers, or grind these down. I don’t like the grinding option because I would be reducing the thread contact area from the intended design. For reference:Bolt = 40209-22000 (NLA) m10x1.25, 27mm long, 10mm grip lengthLock washer = 08915-14010 m10x3mm thick Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr comment_555561 The problem with grinding them down to me, would be, you remove all the zinc from the end of the bolt and they're going to rust badly there so close to the ground and potential water. I am not sure grinding them would affect clamping forces at all, but I am also not an ME... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr comment_555572 I'd be more concerned about the shank bottoming out. Easy to check though. A flat washer under the lock washer might solve both problems. With a dab of thread locker to be sure. Would make it look like the original as far as the functional bits. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr Author comment_555575 Yeah, that’s a problem too. I’ve read and been told not to use a regular washer with a split lock washer, so I’m trying to source some more correct bolts or a m10 split lock washer that is at least 4mm thick. Tall order. These might work: http://www.dli-teknik.se/index.php?section=products&subsection=7&cat=83&s1cat=578&s2cat=1056&showprod=10154&lang=en I called ARP and they said these were probably custom manufactured by them for this distributor. Looking into the details. Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 17, 20186 yr comment_555576 2 minutes ago, Matthew Abate said: Yeah, that’s a problem too. I’ve read and been told not to use a regular washer with a split lock washer, so I’m trying to source some more correct bolts or a m10 split lock washer that is at least 4mm thick. Tall order. Thread locker. You could leave out the split lock washer entirely. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 18, 20186 yr Author comment_555589 Found some from a 210/310 on eBay. I have a feeling they aren’t the same, but they were $15 for 4 so I too the gamble. We shall see.Sent from my iPhone using Classic Zcar Club mobile Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/51541-1973-rebuild/?&page=56#findComment-555589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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