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[TKR514]

Any car can be a POS.

I've seen 240's that are rusted through and smoking that I would call that too. I bought a 280ZX parts car that was a POS for $200. Total rot but low mileage mechanicals that are highly prized in Zdom and going on my non-POS car.

I did not see the show, but maybe it was a POS car that just happened to be a ZX?

[Mike]

It's just a joke, man!

[Ed]

One less ZX on the road = One more powerplant & 5 speed donor for our Z's.:classic:

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by Ed

One less ZX on the road = One more powerplant & 5 speed donor for our Z's.:classic:

!!!!!

Way to go Ed! You found the bright side! I agree!

[24OZ]

The ZX is not a POS, however the driver of the luxury car is.... maybe some road etiquette wouldnt go amiss.

[MakDiesel]

hey now, I'm avidly looking for a 240 (body anyway) and it's not my fault there are no decent 70-78 on the east coast...least not in the financial range of an indepedent college student...and finally the ZX motor block and head actually were the strongest and most durable of ANY of the L24, L26, and L28 series not to mention best diff. ratio (3.90)...If I could go back in time I would have gladly slapped the Nissan engineers myself for the way they distanced themselves from the heritage of the Z, concentrating rather on how well the spoiled driver was accustomed by crap that was powered by lil electric motors that added XXX pounds instead of devising ways to lighten the fat bastard up and make a better power to weight ratio. (Hell I don't even use half the "luxury" $^!# on my GL anyway..not that it works anymore after the 'diet' I put it on but still...) And even tho my $500 piece doesn't win any car shows (yet)......it's paid for, and that's good enough for me (for now) Peace I'm done ranting now :tapemouth

P.S. -- my 280zx IS NOT a luxury vehicle...It's a girl in her early twenties that once was 'the fat girl' til she met this new guy who could drive so she started cleaning herself up to look good for him -- he encouraged her to better herself so 4 months later she had dropped 115lbs...she's still working on her exhaust leak...

[Bambikiller240]

I've got this Pick-Up Truck with "the strongest and most durable of ANY" of the Chevy motors, I've gutted the truck but it still doesn't have the performance that I want so now I'm looking to find a Corvette body to stuff the engine into.

I wish I'd bought a 'Vette in the first place.....

[MakDiesel]

Yeah I went looking for a '70-'73 240 but came out with a great deal anyway...my 280zx isn't ANYWHERE close to where I want it to be (performance or appearance wise) but til I find a rust-free Z shell I'll slowly turn her into a wannabe. I'm still keeping the motor/tranny/diff./memories for a 240/L28 swap when she gets 'replaced' so my half n' half will work perfect: the best of both worlds if you ask me. Personally, trucks do nothing for me...My first car was a truck...a slow dodge 4-banger...it got my through high school then I sold it for somethin more my speed...and so the thirst began...good luck w/ the 'Vette -- I prefer the '79 era bodystyle (b4 the mid eighties destroyed the curves) jus my $.02, peace

[Leeroy]

Whislt admitted an extreme preference for the early Zeds, the latter were good too!

Cheers ppl!

PS Did you see 2manyzs new 280zx? Nice huh!

[go z racer, go]

lipstick & pigs

I have written this in response to resent concerns over observed Z models.

NOTE > As with most points of view, there exists a contrasting thought, so having said that, should you become offended, don't be, don't take me seriously, no one has yet.

For better or worse, the reliable (non technical) strength drawn from Nissan's (albeit licensed under Mercedes) L6 with it's distinctive growl and it's 1960s borrowed chassis has me hooked.

It's been my (humble and, limited at best mind you) experience observing the evolution of various Japanese sports cars that "more" isn't necessarily "better." The genius to produce an automotive package equal in class (to respective market), yet, more reliable and with a price tag reflected at a fraction of the established makers dissolves with time until your left with a "comfortable," "feature" ridden shadow. It's my belief, that the greed governed corporate generals apply pressure to the designers to improve on "the wheel."

To attract the masses, your advertising billboards need to shout "new and improved practicality" under a sports car banner. I can hear the designers now, "what have you done to my baby?" The once proud Greyhound, is now a pig adorned with lipstick.

Face it, only a few of us can truly appreciate driving a vehicle without "individual climate zone controls," or "voice activated" 22 speaker, 100 CD disk, 1,000 watt, digital surround sound system. No, we "endure" by hand operated window-cranks, and "button/knob controlled" AM/FM radios; 8 track if your lucky. Hand free cell phone appliance? Hell I can't even hear it ring, and that's with the windows rolled up! Wait, I just remembered I make a living sitting backwards in a fire truck with loud series all day...okay, scratch the last one off.

However, consider the following, me personally, as in sex (stay with me, I do have a point), sex that's loud, physical, and demanding my complete attention, is my idea of fun.....a ringing cell phone right in the middle of things will not enhance this moment (unless it's her bisexual girlfriend, but then that would be pure fantasy, more beer, or $50 bucks.....nope, more than likely I would have to turn the lights on and dig the dam cell phone out from my jeans, thus revealing her less than supermodel looks and my Johnson leaving no doubt as to why I'm not a porn star--- just as in driving, my F1 pit stop would reveal a red light two blocks from work). I realize for some, that may have been a long walk as far as analogies are concerned, but do ya follow me? "Hard work" (sorry for the cheap pun) is relative. Bottom line? A vehicle adorned with all the amenities are unwelcome distractions that limit your driving experience. If by nothing else there combined weight alone goes against the sports car principle "power to weight" ratio.

Look, maybe it's just me, but I like driving Z cars, not ZX, ZXT, or even ZXTTs. Just "Z " cars, respectively.---Jerry

[TKR514]

Yes, you and a fraction of the population like the early Z.

Of course, a fraction of the population loves the Nash Metropolitan.

You gotta change or your limited market dries up. It's not corporate greed, just reality. Who would buy a NEW 240Z today for 20-25 grand? Not many as Nissan found out with their "factory rebuild" program. What, something like 15 to 20 were made before the plug was pulled? The original Z is good, but not so good that you can sell it today.... It was good in it's day 'cause everything else was such crap.

I chose a ZX in 79 because I wanted more gas, better aerodynamics, stronger structure than the original Z. I got that and it was lighter than the 78Z's on the lot(thou only by 20 pounds or so).

Just glad that the new heaviest and luxurious 350Z is doing well...

[go z racer, go]

TKR514--Let me see if I read you correctly. Your decision to purchase the 280ZX over the earlier Z models was based on the following : a.) improved gas mileage b.) improved aerodynamics c.) improved structural integrity.

If that is correct, and it sounds right to me, why didn't you take the time to ask yourself one more question? What did those improvements actually equate to? You know, your a smart guy. Why then is the 280ZX at the bottom of the performance chart to include reduced gas mileage as compared to the earlier Z models and in stock trim?

While the F54/P79 ZX L6 was stronger than it's predecessors (BTW most 79 280ZX came with 280Z N42/N47, I'd check your brochure if I were you, but not the one that "sold" you on the ZX is better than a Z brochure), it was implanted in (as you say stronger structure) into a heavy-comfortable chassis. Bigger chassis just means more mass, more air to push. No way could that ZX with, as you say "better aerodynamics," out run a stock 240Z. No way.----Jerry

BTW---Please excuse my ignorance, but just what is a Nash Metropolitan anyway?