"yeah, that's easy for you to say, you drive a...

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by TKR514

Well, accidents do happen.

"Well, accidents do happen..." Are you serious? Try that one on the FAA accident investigator next time and see how far it gets you.

Originally posted by TKR514

I can assume from your name "BambiKiller" that you have also had an accident that caused a death :-) Everyone has them, just hope all live through them and learn. I guess if everything less than a perfectly safe drive is also considered a failure, then we can criticize you poor driving skills?

Yes, you may critcize my "less than perfect driving skills". There is however one minor difference between my circumstance and John's........I survived. If you compare the height and center of gravity of a deer and a Z car you will note that it is very easy to end up with a Bambi in your lap in a frontal impact. Fortunately, my skills, such as they are (and a dose of luck) enabled me to avoid that and to walk away with no injury to myself and relatively minor damage to my car.

Originally posted by TKR514

Maybe you can cut John a little slack....

If John could have walked away from his accident I could, but obviously his skills and knowledge of his craft were not sufficient to save himself, I'll give him as much slack as the Good Lord gave him.... Zip, Nada, Zero. His skills as a auto driver may have been acceptable, but as a pilot....HE"S DEAD! That is a definite "F" grade.

Originally posted by TKR514

Personally, I think flying has a larger safety margin than driving. Everything is separated by miles instead of feet and there is very little traffic. As long as you respect the limits, things usually work out as planned.

The physical "margins" may be larger in aviation, but the penalties for failure are MUCH greater. Which is one reason that Pilot's licenses and A & P licenses are more difficult to acquire than your automobile driver's license or an A.S.E. certification. Everyone in aviation is held to a higher standard than in the automotive world.

Originally posted by TKR514

I've had 3 engine failures in 30 years from various mechanical reasons but never lost my plane. Sometimes luck makes the difference.

Luck helps, but in many cases you make your own luck utilizing preparation and skill. MAny piots go a lifetime without an engine failure, and you are indeed fortunate to have walked away from three. I would , however; suggest that you need a different mechanic or a better preventative maintance plan for your aircraft. Luck is fickle, you cannot count on it forever.

[MikeW]

His skills as a auto driver may have been acceptable, but as a pilot....HE"S DEAD! That is a definite "F" grade.

Well, there were those two drunk driving charges in his Porsche in Aspen.

[TKR514]

Well BambiKiller,

1)The FAA does not investigate accidents (duh).

2)Glad you survived the deer, some hit deer and die.

3)John had very good skills as a pilot and held FAA ratings.

4)Since auto licences are given away and basically just used for identification, there is no comparison between a drivers license and a pilot certificate. However, both are licences to learn.

5) Inattention will get you killed in either car or aircraft.

6)Since you know ZERO about my plane and maintenance, you cannot make a rational suggestion on how to improve things. You sound like a politician that has little knowledge of Aviation yet "knows" how to make things better. Strong opinions, yet no information. If you want details of what happened and why, I cand send you those and then you might have some idea before you pontificate. Both mechanic and maintenance were irrelavent in my case.

[go z racer, go]

Carl Quotes:

"Aw, come on, anyone as into porn as Pee Wee can't be ALL bad!"...

"The only good pilots are the ones who survive to die of natural causes...Running out of fuel is a stupid mistake, even if the pilot in question is a drunk!"...

"Funny, that page mentions John Denver not being a sniper, but fails to mention that he wasn't much of a PILOT either!"...

"Well, we will have to agree to disagree on John Denver. The only report card that ultimately counts is the one earned when you land safely"...

"Translation please? Is this Aussie Ebonics?"...

You kill me Carl/Bambikiller240 (forgive the cheap pun). I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your battle of wits, albeit, against seemingly unarmed opponents.

However, it's all in good fun!---Jerry

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by TKR514

Well BambiKiller,

1)The FAA does not investigate accidents (duh).

2)Glad you survived the deer, some hit deer and die.

3)John had very good skills as a pilot and held FAA ratings.

4)Since auto licences are given away and basically just used for identification, there is no comparison between a drivers license and a pilot certificate. However, both are licences to learn.

5) Inattention will get you killed in either car or aircraft.

6)Since you know ZERO about my plane and maintenance, you cannot make a rational suggestion on how to improve things. You sound like a politician that has little knowledge of Aviation yet "knows" how to make things better. Strong opinions, yet no information. If you want details of what happened and why, I cand send you those and then you might have some idea before you pontificate. Both mechanic and maintenance were irrelavent in my case.

1) OK, I misspoke, you knew that I meant the NTSB. The excuse would not fly no matter which agency.

2) like I said, some luck was involved, and I am indeed fortunate. It could have been far worse.

3)ratings or no; he still made several MAJOR mistakes that most pilots would not make. The combined effects of those mistakes cost him his life. His skills were not sufficient to save himself. If you wish to give hime an "A" grade as a pilot it will have to be done posthumously.

4) I doubt your state Department of Motor Vehicles feels the same. Of course, I do not live in Texas, so things may be different there, than in California. HOWEVER, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN A DL AND PILOT CERTIFICATION. (which was my point in the first place)

5) Who could argue this point? Rodney King?

6) Agreed, I know nothing about you, your aircraft, your mechanic(s), or any maintainence plan you may have had. My point was that 3 failed engines in a lifetime of flying is not normal. Your luck (and skill) in survival of these incidents is phenominal, but should not be counted on to always be sufficient. Not that I want the details of your accidents, but are you saying it was merely Bad Karma that caused the engine failures? Engines fail for reasons. Material failure, improper assembly/installation, poor maintainance, improper operation to name but a few. There is always a reason, and usually something to be gained from knowing those reasons and applying the lessons learned. This was the point I was trying to make, not to insinuate that you were to blame for anything.

BTW, I am not a pilot, but served 6 years in the US Naval Air as a Jet Mechanic (ADJ5) and as you say, know a "little" bit about aircraft and engines. I have many friends who were fighter/bomber jocks in the Navy and Marines (and are still pilots as civilians), and a few of them are currently commercial pilots. We were all trained with the idea that safety is of paramount importance in the world of aviation. Preparation, Knowledge of our aircraft, and Skill were mandatory whether as a pilot, or mechanic. BUT I CONCEDE THAT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. OK?

[1 Bravo 6]

And another BRAVO to you Carl,

I'm with Jerry. Your comments are informative and entertaining but, BLOODY HECK mate, you Do get caught up in some doozies of discussions, don't you ???

Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next post.

Enjoyably yours, Rick.

[biker]

Well you cannot knock a bloke for the informative banter and discussion. I am amazed that conversations can move from one unrelated subject to another without missing a beat. Banged up Z car translates to John Denver who cannot fly.

Stone the crows mate!!!!!!

:cheeky:

BTW

Took my 8 year old daughter to see the new latest released movie on Australia being Kangaroo Jack.

:dead:

This has set back all the educational threads that myself and the other Ozzies have been trying to introduce with snippets of Aussie Ebonics to u all.

We now have talking kangaroos and what knocked me off my seat was the depiction of Alice Springs (a large city in the Northern Territory of some 200K of people) with a dirt road as a main street!!!:sick: To top it off they kept talking about Kings Canyon and the Devils Rocks being a short stroll between each other. I for one would not be interested in such a walk.

If we lose another couple of tourists in the outback chasing dressed up kangaroos, this will really draw the raw prawn with the establishment.

ROFL

[Alfadog]

Ugh, that skippy ripoff you can blame on HOLLYWOOD!

eeeesh I've only seen the trailer but seriously, SERIOUSLY, baaad movie :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[1 Bravo 6]

LOL ROFL

Steady on there mate, I think Carl might still be suffering a headache from trying to decipher my "Wouldn't be dead for quids" and you just may have really complicated things with your "Stone the crows" and "Raw Prawn" comments.

You might have caused his headache to develope into a migrain.

Rick.

[Bambikiller240]

Originally posted by 1 Bravo 6

Steady on there mate, I think Carl might still be suffering a headache from trying to decipher my "Wouldn't be dead for quids" and you just may have really complicated things with your "Stone the crows" and "Raw Prawn" comments.

Rick.

:cross-eye :cross-eye

Thanks Rick. Australia has such colorful slang! :cross-eye

can someone translate the latest terms for us "septic tanks"?

[TKR514]

All I know is that you said the FAA investigated accidents. I am not adept an knowing what someone meant to type.

John WAS skilled enough, he made a series of hasty but minor assumptions with a new-to-him aircraft and he paid for it. Derating him as a pilot is not called for. The worst thing out of it seems to be non-pilots using it for jokes or "expertly" pointing out the need for more regulations in training.

My point was that 3 failed engines in a lifetime of flying is not normal.

Again, you know nothing about my flying yet pontificate an opinion not based on fact. 3 times in 30 years would ONLY be unusual if you are assuming that I am a low time pilot flying single engine aircraft. Again, an incorrect assumption. Opinions without facts are superstion, and must be avoided concerning aviation safety issues.

Anyway, next time you get to Texas, stop over for a beer. Between us we should be able to solve all the worlds problems

[AxtellZ]

Ok you Aussies- before you bail out from this thread, you must explain the "raw prawns" and "stone the crows"......I am sure it must be Z related, in some way....

Oh, and on the Pilot/John Denver/Mr Rogers/blahblahblah, it's time to agree that some of us disagree, shake hands and sit down to a beer together. I'll be home at 8:45pm Eastern Standard Time- everyone join me tonight, I'll be thinking of you all:classic:

Jeremiah