1969 Fairlady Z for Sale

[1969fairladyz]

[HS30-H]

10 minutes ago, 1969fairladyz said:

Guys, I have more pictures and a copy of the appraisal report specifying that this is an original, numbers matching 1969 Fairlady Z... But the uploader keeps failing this morning?

"Appraised" by whom? I can only conclude that this person did not know what they were looking at.

As stated above, I have a lower chassis numbered Fairlady Z-L myself and it was made in the second half of 1970. Nissan Shatai's production records and the records of the Japanese motor vehicle licensing agency contradict the claim that your car was built in 1969. If you look closely at all the manufacturing date codes and quality control stamps on the componentry of the car they will show a majority of June/July/August/September 1970 dates.

And here's no "numbers matching" in the accepted sense for these cars, as the chassis tags on Japanese market cars did not record the original engine number in the way that north American market cars did. 

Sorry, but it's a 1970 car. You'll put yourself in a stronger position regarding the sale if you embrace that fact.

Good luck.

Alan T.

[26th-Z]

Cris,

I don't agree with the appraisal but so what.

I'm thinking that you have a purchase order document dated 1969 and that's why you are claiming the date?  Or is it the 69 in the photograph you posted?  What's written next to the 69, Alan?  A "numbers matching" statement means that the numbers on the chassis and engine match an ID tag or some form of appropriate documentation.  It doesn't look like you have the engine # on the ID tag however if it is still the original 2-liter it probably is "matching".

If you really want some hard build date evidence, crawl up underneath the dash and find the part # tag on the wiring harness.  It is going to be a white tag wrapped in the loom.  It will have the part number and a date printed on it.  See if you can find it and let us know what it says.  You also may encounter a build date underneath the dash that looks like this one.

Edited June 2, 2016 by 26th-Z

[HS30-H]

13 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

I'm thinking that you have a purchase order document dated 1969 and that's why you are claiming the date?  Or is it the 69 in the photograph you posted?  What's written next to the 69, Alan? 

The hand-written kanji next to the big '69' on the warranty booklet says 'Nen Shiki'. A rough translation would be '69 year style'. This does not mean the car was actually built in 1969, and I would not place too much emphasis on it. It has as much relevance as the 'Series One' and 'Series Two' type comments in the grand scheme of things..

I'd also have to say that if someone made a purchase order for a car in 1969, and had to wait the best part of ten months for it to be delivered, then it must have been a pretty long queue that they were at the back of...  No, it's not a purchase order it's just a three year new car warranty booklet.

Look, there's no chance of this being a 1969 build year car. We know enough about these cars to confirm that it was built in the second half of 1970, and persisting with the romantic but nevertheless mistaken idea that it was built in 1969 is going to hinder the sale not aid it. It's going to be a bone of contention in the kind of uneducated discourse you often see on the likes of Bring A Trailer, and it is a distraction from the truth of the car itself. Better to accept it is a 1970 build year, and a rare survivor of the type with a lot of potential for a new owner to add value by putting some work into it.     

[1969fairladyz]

The title lists the car as a 1969, as does the customs paperwork that came with the car when the original owner imported it. Eric will be getting the title from his safe this weekend, so that I can post it & we can put this to rest.

[DC871F]

On 6/1/2016 at 10:31 AM, Mark Maras said:

Judging from the outside, it looks like a Series II body with a series I hatch. Could it really be a 69?

Fairladys were different from 240Z's. Subtle but different. Emblem on the pillar would solve most questions.

[Zed Head]

Would somebody buy this to restore or collect?  And do the flares really look like "light modification"?  If the body is intact underneath, maybe, but I'd guess it's been cut.

Not a 240Z guy, don't know what people look for, just curious.  It's sounding more like a fairly run-of-the-mill Fairlady 240Z, isn't it?

[HS30-H]

8 hours ago, 1969fairladyz said:

The title lists the car as a 1969, as does the customs paperwork that came with the car when the original owner imported it. Eric will be getting the title from his safe this weekend, so that I can post it & we can put this to rest.

Sorry, but with all due respect the US title and any customs paperwork are not reliable witnesses to the production date of this car. My own 1970 Fairlady Z-L was 'titled' as a "1976 Fairlady Turbo" when it was originally imported to the United Kingdom by a USAF pilot in 1979, as the British vehicle licensing agency simply didn't know what they were dealing with...  

'S30' prefixed chassis numbers produced in year 1969 ran from 'S30-00001' through 'S30-00953'. For 1970 year production the range was 'S30-00954' through 'S30-04330' and 'S30-04501' through 'S30-04504' (note the 171 car gap between '04330' and '04501'). This is not "Model Year" or 'Series', it is manufacturing date.

Alan T.  

 

 

[HS30-H]

6 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Would somebody buy this to restore or collect?

Sure. Why not? It could also be bought as a period-themed resto-mod project or any other scenario from mild to wild. It is a relatively rare surviving example of a 1970 Fairlady Z-L, and it appeals to certain people because of that. I'd say it is probably worth more than a similar condition north American market model of the same age.

It's sounding more like a fairly run-of-the-mill Fairlady 240Z, isn't it?

We need to be accurate here. A 'Fairlady 240Z' would be an HS30-S 'Fairlady 240Z', HS30 'Fairlady 240Z-L' or HS30-H 'Fairlady 240ZG' with an HS30-prefixed chassis number, produced roughly from September 1971 through August 1973. The car in question is not a '240Z'.

[26th-Z]

Further to Alan's accuracy point: this car is a 2-liter with a 5-speed transmission.  Nothing common about that in North America.  The valve cover should say "NISSAN 2000 OHC".  If you look closely at the picture of the interior, you will notice switches on the console for parking lights, right and left.  There are many other peculiarities about this car that make it anything but common in North America.

[Zed Head]

How common is it in Europe?  If location on the globe is that important, seems like there'd be a big push to import Fairlady Z's to the States.

In short - what's it worth, with the cut fender wells?  I'm trying to figure out if this is something special, or just an old Datsun.  Is it the "1973 240Z" of Europe?  Nice but nothing special.  Is it rare everywhere or just rare in the States?

[CanTechZ]

Looking at the range of S30 chassis numbers mentioned by @HS30-H in post 20, it looks like at least five times more HLS30's (240z's) were built in 1970.  Seems to me that would be somewhat rare everywhere, especially considering there were more S30 model variations as compared to the models available in North America.