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The winning L24 and engine compartment seems pretty basic from the outside.  A few items to note:

  • throttle linkage replaced by cable
  • dead-headed fuel piping architecture
  • oil cooler and fittings
  • deleted mechanical fuel pump
  • alternate PCV system with large white plastic catch can
  • deleted fan
  • non-stock damper pulley
  • remote oil pressure measurement sensor
  • fibreglass belly pan
  • hood latch delete (racing pin arrangement)
  • stock battery, alternator, distributor, radiator, coil, starter
  • very light coloured distributor cap. Plugs seem stock.
  • stock wiring harness
  • unknown hose from battery area to drain on left tower/wheel well. It seems to go behind battery then across the fire wall to the transmission tunnel area.
  • heater hose delete
  • shortened/modified fuel rail
  • stock-ish fuel filter
  • Stock hood prop, vent elbows, rad over-flow drain hose, v-reg cover
  • Washer fluid hoses in place along with stock wipers
  • brake booster not in shot. Master brake cylinder and clutch master cylinder seems to be stock
  • no camber mods to shock towers
  • engine lift bracket in place

Car 31 L24 2.jpg

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Looking over the engine compartment pic above... In addition to the stuff you mentioned, here's a couple things that caught my eye:

Special "racing tape" secure on the clutch and master cylinder caps.
Multiple piece upper radiator hose? Hose clamps in the middle?
Vent nipple on valve cover angled forward to adapt to different PCV system.
"OIL" cap. I thought the early ones were elephant?
Couple unharnessed wires up and over the left strut tower. Is that stock?
"D" shaped washers on some of the fender bolts for clearance into sheet metal corner.
9 hours ago, grannyknot said:

So much for diamond rings and oil paintings :Bazinga:

Predicition: Values of diamond rings and oil paintings will most likely not drop through the floor just because somebody delivered a message telling you what you already should have known.

:rimshot:

17 hours ago, 240260280 said:
  1. winner 2sm.jpg

Takahashi Kokoh (l) and Motoharu Kurosawa(r)

 

Christ, what a mess. That's Motoharu KUROSAWA on the left, and Kunimitsu TAKAHASHI on the right.

This thread is going to be a real car crash. There are just so many mistakes and misunderstandings. Some really golden WTF moments.   

And Blue, what's the true purpose of this thread? You've titled it "L24 Battles Six S20s. Guess who wins?", but why? You seem to be framing it as a simplistic L24 vs S20 fight, but it wasn't actually anything as simplistic as that. What's your real agenda here?

The answer to the question posed by the thread title is, in fact, the latest Works car, with the 'ace' Works drivers behind the wheel...  . You might like to remind yourself that the car in question was still in fact a 432R, running all the 432R-specific homologated parts and having the benefit of all the factory team development carried out up to that point. The L24 being installed in that chassis was far (far!) from stock, with special Works-developed crank, rods, pistons, head and many other details, and was running at a displacement of over 2500cc (yes, 25% greater than the S20) allowed by the GTS-II class rules. You can hardly frame it as L24 = great, S20 = $^!#, can you?

Not only that, but I don't see any mention of one of the key points; The intra-company politics regarding the S20 engine and the fact that the very recently ex-Prince faction at Murayama regarded the S20 as 'their' engine and had effectively blocked the Nissan Works faction at Oppama from the better developments, updates and trick parts that the Murayama based team were using on their Skyline GT-R race cars. Murayama were not involved in racing the L6, so there was no potential for a reciprocal arrangement. Discussing the race career of the 432R without taking into account any of the Murayama/Oppama politics is to miss much of the point. 

And with regards specifically to the 1970 Fuji 1000kn race, you missed the elephant in the room for the whole event. Is that because you chose not to mention it, or because you didn't know about it? The big clue is what that particular event was supposed to be, and what cars were supposed to be taking part in it but for a recent tragedy. It had a huge impact on the race, and who/what won it.... It really ought to be taken into account.   

 

       

There are so many driver names that require correction, I'd better list them up:

Family name in capitals:

*"Kitano Yuan" = Moto KITANO

*"Masahiro Hasayami" = Masahiro HASEMI

*"Kenji Tsubairi" = Kenji TOHIRA

*"Teranishi Teranishi" = Takatoshi TERANISHI

*"Takahashi Kokoh" = Takahashi KUNIMITSU

*"Saburo Koumuma" = "Saburo KOINUMA

*"Ishii Kazuo" = Kazuo ISHII

*"Sakurai Ichi" = Hajime SAKURAI

19 hours ago, 240260280 said:

After 233 laps of the 4.3km course, the 432R with L24, Car #31, got the checkered flag. It won the race and it won the class. More interestingly, Takahashi Kokoh and Motoharu Kurosawa in their "Datsun Sports 240 Z HS 30" easily took on, and defeated, six similarly prepared 432R's with S20 engines.

car 31sm.jpg

The L24 "lightened 240z" finished two laps ahead of the nearest S20 432R competitor. The rest of the S20 432R's  finished 34, 95, 146, 198, 210 laps down.  The L24 had no competition. It was strong, reliable, and a race worthy engine that proved itself on its first outing in Japan. 

432R Results.jpg

As an epilogue to the race, there was great disappointment for the S20 engine.  The All Japan Fuji 1000 km results were the writing on the wall for the relatively new S20 power plant.  Going forward, it was generally not favoured by racers in classes where the L24 could be used. In fact, the following year's 1971 Race de Nippon 6hr was won by a Factory 240z L24 piloted by Kunimitsu Takahashi & Masahiro Hasemi. If you recall from the top of this post, this is the same race where, in April of 1970, the S20 432 captured its first win. The reign of the S20 was short indeed.

 

(My bolded highlights)

A couple of questions: Who was/is calling that 432R a "lightened 240Z"? The car was entered as an HS30 '240Z' because that was the only way it could qualify for the GTS-II class rules. Putting a different engine in a PS30-prefixed body would have bumped the car up into the R-III class (where they didn't want to be) so they called it an HS30 and stayed in GTS-II.

You write: "The L24 had no competition". Had you mentioned any of the other competitors in the race, this might statement might start to look a little more tenuous. Yes they won the race, and that's what the Works team set out to do. However, there's some extra context here if you take into account the fact that pole position was taken by TOHIRA and TERANISHI in the #32 432-R (almost two seconds faster than TAKAHASHI and KUROSAWA in the L24-engined #31 hybrid, who took 5th fastest in qualifying) and they crashed out of the race early after being involved in somebody else's accident. The winning car was run close to the finish by the #54 PGC10 4-door Skyline GT-R of SUNAKO and HASEMI running in the TS-III class, who incidentally turned in a quicker fastest race lap than the winning car, which they had also outqualified. No competition...?

I think it's also worth pointing out that framing this event as being one L24-engined car vs six S20-engined 432-Rs is to take it hugely out of context, but that those six 432-Rs were not even equal amongst themselves. The two 'hot' Works-entered 432-Rs were the #32 car of TOHIRA and TERANISHI (which took pole, but was taken out by a non-fault crash) and the #30 car of TOSHIMORI and HOSHINO (which had taken second on the grid but ran into trouble during the race, which cost it a couple of laps). The other 432s and 432-Rs in the race were all privateer efforts in cars nowhere near the development/parts level of the Works cars. The KUWASHIMA / TAKAHASHI 432 was even running steel wheels! 

"As an epilogue to the race, there was great disappointment for the S20 engine". Huh?! Says who? In July 1970 - the date of the race you cite - Nissan's Murayama works team were already well on the way to record-breaking run of domination in the Japanese touring car championship, and in the middle of taking 40+ consecutive victories. They ended up with 50+ victories with S20-powered PGC10 and KPGC10 Skyline GT-Rs. Your statement is - in this context - complete nonsense and has the whiff of a pre-conceived agenda about it. I find it interesting that you would frame the victory for the L24 (it was an 'L24R' actually...) powered 432-R as some kind of disappointment? Why is that? Nissan's Oppama works team certainly didn't find it a disappointment. Why would they? It was - after all - their car and their engine...  

 

 

Anybody who is seriously interested in the topic of Japanese racing during this period would be well advised to dig a little more deeply than one issue of Auto Sport Japan's '200 Great Races' series for the full story. Big topic.       

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