Posted February 16, 20178 yr comment_513097 I think I'll try this tonight. I can't remember doing one before but that doesn't mean much, memory...bad, very bad. Put rags everywhere then take the old one off and clean up the booster. Bench bleed the new one then put the plugs back in the bottom ports Bolt it onto the booster Connect the brake lines Bleed all the old fluid out Thanks for helpful advice. Cliff Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 16, 20178 yr Author comment_513112 This turned out to be easy so far. The tubes in their bench bleed kit aren't made for bottom ports, too short. I've got a syringe and will just do it backwards. Thanks for that tip, somebody? Chris @grannyknot you were right, I needed a new one. Thanks for that suggestion. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 16, 20178 yr Author comment_513114 Anybody know the sealer between the master cylinder and it's backing plate? Cleaning the backing plate I see it had some sort of sealer where it slides up to the M/C, silicone I think, it was still rubbery when I scraped it off. Just some type RTV? I have a tube of the black oil resistant. Thanks Another question. Would some white lithium grease be okay on the plunger out of the booster into the M/C? Like I use on the door hinges? Edited February 16, 20178 yr by siteunseen Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr comment_513213 In the few I've done I've never seen any sealant that I can recall. I just did my power booster and there was nothing. Maybe the PO dabbed some on just in case it weeped interernally? I've never lubbed the plunger. It should be pretty dry in there. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr comment_513216 Raybestos has a brake caliper lube that I use. I think I've done something like 4-5 cars motorcycles in total. Nice product. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr Author comment_513228 After a lot of reading I found a pretty interesting thread that proved true reading about other cars. Sealant between m/c and the backing plate, I used rtv ultra. No seal between the backing plate and the booster. The booster actually draws air from a small groove milled into the booster. It runs from the center hole to the 11 o'clock spot just pass the backing plate. I coated the push rod only with lithium grease. It slid into the m/c nice and smooth. The booster hole is clean and dry, another reason not to use sealant, leaky m/c can leak so you can see it's leaking. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr comment_513231 27 minutes ago, siteunseen said: After a lot of reading I found a pretty interesting thread that proved true reading about other cars. Sealant between m/c and the backing plate, I used rtv ultra. No seal between the backing plate and the booster. The booster actually draws air from a small groove milled into the booster. It runs from the center hole to the 11 o'clock spot just pass the backing plate. I coated the push rod only with lithium grease. It slid into the m/c nice and smooth. The booster hole is clean and dry, another reason not to use sealant, leaky m/c can leak so you can see it's leaking. What was the logic on the sealant? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr Author comment_513232 Nissan did it. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr comment_513240 2 hours ago, siteunseen said: Nissan did it. That's fine, but what is the purpose? If air is needed to be drawn in, the sealing does what? It's still open to air. Maybe it helps with control of the needed air? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr Author comment_513244 I put sealant on the opposite side of the backing plate, where it mates with the master cylinder. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 18, 20178 yr comment_513280 4 hours ago, siteunseen said: I put sealant on the opposite side of the backing plate, where it mates with the master cylinder. cliff, I think he is asking what is the logic to sealing one side of the plate to the master cylinder and not sealing it to the booster? I don't have a theory... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 19, 20178 yr comment_513299 My thoughts on the subject... First, I would be careful with lithium grease on the master cylinder output shaft. A very little bit right on the very tip would probably be OK, but you don't want any of that stuff to come in contact with the vacuum seal that rides on that shaft. I wouldn't want to assume that rubber seal is compatible with that grease. I think a better choice would be silicone based brake grease. Something safe for rubber seals. As for sealant on either of the seams between the parts... I don't think sealant is necessary on either of those seams, but a little sealant between the M/C and the backing plate won't hurt anything. And some sealant between the backing plate and the front side of the M/C clamshell won't hurt anything either as long as you don't block the vent passageway. My read on that vent passage is that it does two things: First, it allows for the change in volume in that (otherwise sealed) cavity when the brakes are depressed. If not for that vent, when the volume inside that cavity were to change, the pressure would change as well. That vent keeps everything at atmospheric. Second, that vent acts as a drain for brake fluid out the hole in the event of a rear M/C seal failure. It would be best if it drains before that fluid ends up inside the master cylinder, but clearly from the amount of fluid inside my failed booster, that's not always the case. One last thought... If that vent is to act as a drain, it would be pointed down, not up. I don't know if it's the original position or not, but mine was pointed at the 5:00 position, not the 11:00 position. Do you think yours was stock original position at 11:00? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/57078-master-cylinder-check-list/#findComment-513299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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