headliner

[Richard McDonel]

There have been several posts on how to - and how not to - install the headliner in 240s etc (tricky job).  In comments there seemed to be some confusion over which adhesive was most effective.  3M Super 77 was suggested by some, and denigrated by others.  I called the 3M factory, and they replied by e-mail, and flat-out said that Super 77 is "not strong enough," and further that it will deteriorate anything with foam.  They recommend 3M part number 08088 "Spray Trim Adhesive."  This is considered an industrial rather than an automotive product, so your local auto supply shop will likely not have it - you have to go to an industrial supplier.  

Looking forward to getting my fingers sticky.

[zKars]

My headliner "tricks" list

1. Clean the roof metal ceiling very thoroughly. Leave no fuzz from the old insulation.

2. put a bit of masking tape in the center of the headerliner so you can line it up with the mirror and room lamp to get the same width on both sides

3. The MSA headliner is a bit wide, but you CAN tuck it in to the edge all the way around the entire ceiling. Do this so it is completely tucked all the way around. Lots of rubbing with pressure to the outside.

4. Oh yes, my best trick. Make a piece of 1/8 plywood or 18-20ish gauge sheet metal, 33" x4". Once the headliner is up and tucked smooth and centered, stuff this slab up there and get it wedged up tucked in just like the headliner, front and back so it bowes upward and holds the headliner in place tight to the ceiling in the middle. Take a look at it and think "I could attach stuff to that bar! It looks cool!"

5. Bring down half of the headliner at a time. Apply glue to both sides. No wait! Apply masking tape to the perimeter of the ceiling at least 2", or even 3-4. the glue.  IE, no glue around the edges! You will never get the edges tucked back in if there is glue near the edge! The MSA headliner is stiff enough so there is no need for glue on the edges.

6. After correct tack time, start pushing the headliner to the ceiling from the center outward. Once all the glue area is contacted, then tuck in the edges.

7. Repeat for the other side, remove the wood/metal spline.

8. Begin all this by going to a pro upholstry shop and ask for some "Helmiprene 4510" for your glue. It's brush applied and killer strong once set, but can be released when green with some heat. I use it everywhere on the Z and 510.  Go Pro Joe!

Edited June 30, 2017 by zKars

[Chickenman]

Maybe I'll just drive out to calgary and have Jim do this when the time comes. Getting tired of creaky, head frying Sun Roof!! Grrrrr...

[Namerow]

6 hours ago, Richard McDonel said:

They recommend 3M part number 08088 "Spray Trim Adhesive."

I've used this and found it very effective.  Many autobody supply and auto paint jobbers keep it in stock.  Hardware stores do not.

[zKars]

1 hour ago, Chickenman said:

Maybe I'll just drive out to calgary and have Jim do this when the time comes. Getting tired of creaky, head frying Sun Roof!! Grrrrr...

Come on out and visit! Or I'll do it when I come to the Datsun show end of August!. 

That sun roof needs to go. I think I have a spare roof skin we can spot weld in. Or glue that new headliner straight to the glass! Boom, solved.

[grannyknot]

7 hours ago, Richard McDonel said:

They recommend 3M part number 08088 "Spray Trim Adhesive.

Just installed my headliner using this stuff, very good stuff.

[joe newsom]

Is there any advice in which order to to put the trim pieces on. Pillars etc?


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[grannyknot]

1 headliner, 2 front header (where the rear view mirror attaches) 3 side rails and A pillars. This is with the windshield and door seals removed.

[gwri8]

Perfect timing!  I'm just heading out to install a headliner kit from MSA today (not my car) and was just thinking what adhesive what order would be best. Thanks!

[wheee!]

1 hour ago, gwri8 said:

Perfect timing!  I'm just heading out to install a headliner kit from MSA today (not my car) and was just thinking what adhesive what order would be best. Thanks!

Remember to take pics or have an assistant take some...!

[SoCalJim]

4 hours ago, gwri8 said:

Perfect timing!  I'm just heading out to install a headliner kit from MSA today (not my car) and was just thinking what adhesive what order would be best. Thanks!

I’ll be installing a headliner from Z Car Source next week.  This topic has been very helpful!

[joe newsom]

Having a hard time locating helmiprene 4510

Any other non spray recommendations

 

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