Re keying door locks

[Captain Obvious]

Haha!! Yeah, once the ZX is ready, it'll be more appropriate!

I just copied from the post above mine.       Sorry!

[jfa.series1]

16 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

Which locks? I've taken them all apart and probably have pics that would help.

Send me a PM?

Bruce,

This is an example of a S30 set needing attention: one door lock and the hatch lock are "gritty" - they don't operate smoothly and often catch, possibly from wear but I'd like to open them up for inspection and see if something can be fixed.  Any pics or tips would be appreciated.  PM or email OK.

Thanks,

Jim

[Patcon]

Post it up publicly so I don't have to PM you too!

[Captain Obvious]

OK. I'll look through my pics and post a couple that would probably help.

In the meantime, here's a couple pics of a pair of face cap pliers that I hovered off the web some time ago. These are made by Gator tools and are way to expensive to use once or twice. You local locksmith should have a pair of something similar:

I made a crude pair out of a pair of slip joint pliers. I don't have any pics, but I'll take some and post what I did.

[Zup]

Interesting to me that several of us are on the same wavelength or something---I'm on it too.

I've been staring at several complete set of locks on my desk that are in need refurbishing for several weeks. Was going to take them to a locksmith but really wanted to do it myself. I had saved links from several suppliers of the face cap pliers. The Gator brand for professionals is expensive-- ~$200.

This set from DHGate is much more reasonable, but is no doubt Chinese crap.

https://www.dhgate.com/product/new-model-car-door-lock-face-cap-plier-removal/396796240.html

May be worth it for the occasional use.

New face caps and cylinders can be had from ASP (Auto Security Products), but you have to be a locksmith to order. I could probably get a local locksmith guy to order for me. I have a somewhat rare pinning kit ordered (A-16-100) in case wafers (P-16-141/144 or P-16-151/154) and springs are damaged.

@Captain Obvious @jfa.series1

Has anyone sourced the dust shutters and associated springs? I have not been able to find those in any of the kits.

ASP sells new face caps (P-16-204 for the door locks) (P-16-208 for the hatch lock), but they come 25 to the pack---not sure yet how much they'd cost.

Here's a link to the .pdf of the complete catalogue, but I warn you---your scroll button will get a workout!

http://www.carlocks.com/2008ASPCatalog.pdf

Be happy you tinkerers!!

 

[Captain Obvious]

Yeah, the springs are a problem. Most of the lock parts are made out of either stainless or a non-ferrous alloy. One of the exceptions, unfortunately, are the springs. From what I understand, there are some grades of stainless that are suitable for making springs, but good ol' carbon steel has better spring characteristics. That is, of course, at least until they rust into little unidentifiable nuggets of what used to be springs.

Here's my hatch lock door. That little brown legless rusty lump in the middle of the picture is what's left of the original door spring:

And for a fix, I harvested a couple springs from other door locks and was able to modify one of them to work as a replacement for the original. Here's a pic of some of the options I was working with. Original rusty nugget at the top and two options harvested from other sources at the bottom. I don't remember what the other sources were, but I have good reason to believe they were later Nissan products or from a Honda Civic:

Based on the dates on the pics, it's been almost seven years since I was messing with this stuff, and I didn't do much writing about it at the time. So I have some pics, but the details are unclear at this point. I was definitely able to figure out a replacement option, but I'm not sure which donor spring I used. I have pics where I clipped the long one in half, but I'm not sure if that's what I finally ended up using:

But for moral support... Here's a pic showing that whatever I did worked great!     :

[240z70]

6 hours ago, Zup said:

Interesting to me that several of us are on the same wavelength or something---I'm on it too.

I've been staring at several complete set of locks on my desk that are in need refurbishing for several weeks. Was going to take them to a locksmith but really wanted to do it myself. I had saved links from several suppliers of the face cap pliers. The Gator brand for professionals is expensive-- ~$200.

This set from DHGate is much more reasonable, but is no doubt Chinese crap.

https://www.dhgate.com/product/new-model-car-door-lock-face-cap-plier-removal/396796240.html

May be worth it for the occasional use.

New face caps and cylinders can be had from ASP (Auto Security Products), but you have to be a locksmith to order. I could probably get a local locksmith guy to order for me. I have a somewhat rare pinning kit ordered (A-16-100) in case wafers (P-16-141/144 or P-16-151/154) and springs are damaged.

@Captain Obvious @jfa.series1

Has anyone sourced the dust shutters and associated springs? I have not been able to find those in any of the kits.

ASP sells new face caps (P-16-204 for the door locks) (P-16-208 for the hatch lock), but they come 25 to the pack---not sure yet how much they'd cost.

Here's a link to the .pdf of the complete catalogue, but I warn you---your scroll button will get a workout!

http://www.carlocks.com/2008ASPCatalog.pdf

Be happy you tinkerers!!

 

Well, if you buy a pack of 25, use what you need, then divide the total cost by 25 + a reasonable percentage profit, and sell them to the community.  This way you got yours for free and no one is getting gouged...

[Zup]

@Captain Obvious

Sweet!

Thanks for the excellent photos.

Tickle that aging ganglion a little more about the springs. I'll search around, but a verified suitable donor source would be great info to have.

1 hour ago, 240z70 said:

Well, if you buy a pack of 25, use what you need, then divide the total cost by 25 + a reasonable percentage profit, and sell them to the community.  This way you got yours for free and no one is getting gouged...

Getting something for free is not a part of any of my plans.

You're getting a little ahead of my intentions.

I'm only discussing sourcing of tools, parts and methods of refurbishment.

[240z70]

Understood.  No insult meant.  But it is great to have someone who actually has sought after parts at a great price, and that person does deserve to reap a small benefit from providing those even if its only to pay for the original expenditure.  I dont think that anyone could claim that unethical after all someone had purchase the whole caboodle but might only need 3 or 4 parts.  Why not help the community and at the same time benefit a bit even if it is a small amount.  But if you did not have that intention, I fully understand and was not implying it, only commenting that it would be an excellent way for the whole community to benefit. 

[Zup]

I'm in total agreement and apologize if I was a bit huffy. 

This is the most beneficial community that I've ever found for sharing the experiences, knowledge and company of people like yourself, CO, Patcon, and quite frankly everyone here!

[Patcon]

Interesting link with tools and some caps. Not sure any of these caps are correct

https://www.clksupplies.com/search?q=face*+cap*

[Captain Obvious]

8 hours ago, Zup said:

Tickle that aging ganglion a little more about the springs. I'll search around, but a verified suitable donor source would be great info to have.

Will do. I probably I didn't throw away the other little spring pieces*, so I might be able to determine which one is in the hatch lock by process of elimination.

When I get the chance, I'll take a look for my three lock box.

 

 

* I mean... Who ever throws out anything like that? My workshop indicates that I keep pretty much all of it.