Early 2+2's

[Zedrally]

Thanks for the info alfa, still can't quite make out what the top badges where, maybe Alan T? [Wonder if it may have been a NissanMatic badge]? edit

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to whether it was auto or manual?

[Alfadog]

Like the 2+2 Concept, the Z432's came with little badges above the Fairlady Z badge too.

Although I think that this badge is different, it may give us a clue. The little badge symbolises the *type* of Fairlady it is. I'm beginning to believe it was probably a 2+2 badge, which was deleted from the car for production.

I'm afraid you might have to research this one a bit ZedRally!!!

[Zedrally]

Thanks for all your help alfa,

The badge appears to square to be a 2+2 badge, but maybe it was prototype badge for the g-nose 2+2. Possibly a combination of model designation and 2+2?

Surprised no one has chimed in with the protype model designation [ZGRS 30] or if it was shown elsewhere in the world.

Many questions, does it still exist in the Nissan museum? Kats, anyone?

Maybe Alan T can throw some light on this? [hopefully].

[Alfadog]

Oh no I wasn't thinking of the "normal" 2+2 badge. I was thinking of a one off design... that's all I can come up with for an explaination... My guess is as good as any!

The model was designated ZGRS30? Interesting...

If this car still exists it would help you a lot I'm sure!

[Alfadog]

Here's a picture of the Jap-Spec 2+2 badge that was put on the S30 cars... anyone know where this badge goes on the car???

http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_3f0e9fdcbe5508b3c4d24e2cf43957e6/i-1.JPG

(It's for sale at ebay Australia btw ZedRally)

[Zedrally]

Excellent work there old chap!

As you asked, does anyone know the placement of this?

I gather 2 are required?

[Alfadog]

From the look of the mounting brackets etc. it looks like this badge was actually meant for the front grille of the car - remember the Japanese Fairlady Z's had a mesh type grille.

Any other thoughts?

[Zedrally]

Don't suppose you have the link to the auction, old chap?

I've looked and got lost in the ether!

[Zedrally]

This raises another interesting point.

How did a Jap home market 2/2 get into Australia.

Coupe's I can understand and have seen the odd example, but who would want to import a 2/2?

[Alfadog]

who knows...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3408732575&category=31261

[HS30-H]

Originally posted by Zedrally

The badge appears to square to be a 2+2 badge, but maybe it was prototype badge for the g-nose 2+2. Possibly a combination of model designation and 2+2? Surprised no one has chimed in with the protype model designation [ZGRS 30] or if it was shown elsewhere in the world. Many questions, does it still exist in the Nissan museum? Kats, anyone? Maybe Alan T can throw some light on this? [hopefully].

I don't know what that badge / emblem on the '74 Tokyo show car was, but I suspect it might have been something to do with the Fuel Injection spec. of the engine. Nissan were ( understandably ) quite proud of this, and the car on the stand at the show was probably the 'highest' spec. version ( and hence the most expensive ) Z available up to that point. In this case, it might have actually been fitted with the Auto trans too - so there's a possibility that the emblem was a type of Nissan Matic badge that never made it into production, as Mike suggested.

The G-Nose was dropped after '73 - so that never made it through to production either. Therefore the car at the show was something of a concept car, and would not have had a special production code or 'new' type VIN prefix.

There was no such thing as a "ZGRS-30" VIN - so we better be careful that Mike's dream car doesn't get written into the history books as something that was ever officially produced!

As far as I am aware, that car was never shown outside Japan and does not exist any longer.

The Japanese-market 2/2 badges ( they always call this model the "2 by 2" in Japan, rather than the "2 plus 2" ) were - as Alfadog suggested - placed on the front ( mesh ) grille. I've also seen them on the rear spoilers of Japanese-market cars, but as the rear spoiler was an Option part, these would have been put on by the owner or the dealer. This explains the different mounting positions of rear spoiler emblems that you sometimes see on Japanese-market cars.

There were a few Japanese-market 2/2 models privately imported to the UK in the mid Seventies - so somebody here must have thought that they were worth having too. If they were bought at a bargain price in Japan ( and in many cases brought back from Japan - transported for free - by US servicemen ) it would have seemed a good deal I would have thought.

I've recently seen a picture of a prototype / pre-prod 2/2 undergoing road testing in Japan. The photo was taken in 1971. We know that the 2/2 was designed alongside the 2-seaters in the late Sixties, but held back while sales and production concentrated on the 2-seaters ( see previous posts on the 2+2 threads ). Seems that they were evaluating and testing some cars way before they actually started full production. Years not months.

So Mike, do you think your car is a proper "Export" model or a Japanese-market model? Maybe I haven't been following the thread properly, as I'm still confused!

Alan T.

[Zpeed]

here i got a jap spec 2+2 with a G-nose, i'm not sure what year it is... and don't remember where i got it from to find out...