240260280 Posted July 12, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 12, 2019 Hi All, My early Hitachi radio functions nearly 100% except for the audio output stage. I get a speaker thump when turning on but no static or sound. The volume and tone controls make no changes to the silence. I just replaced all caps and no change. I found the cap C38, which decouples the power amp transistors from the speakers, to be toast and the PO seems to have hooked up two speakers to the output. I am now starting to investigate deeper. The voltages on the power transistors are normal however I am getting ~230ohms across the input winding of the audio transformer T7 feeding the power stage from the Hitachi FA-6007T op amp. I'll check against my working radio. Here are some pictures of cap replacement to help others. I also included the service manual (thanks to @hr369 and @JDMjunkies.ch) ? Sadly there are no AM radio stations in this area so trouble shooting RF stages will be is tough. Hopefully it is just a problem in the audio stage. Electrolytic Capacitors: Crusty C38 Cap hitachi_tm-1081-zb_all_transistor_auto_radio_1970_sm.pdf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK260 Posted July 13, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 13, 2019 Nice work! 3 decades ago when I used to design /build / fix amps (long story), your best friend was a signal generator and an oscilloscope. Do you have access to at least the latter? It’s the only way to truly troubleshoot a circuit like that. Having said that you are making great progress.I would say if two speakers were connected, the final stage amp would be fried and the Darlington transistor or pre-power stage op-amp would also be toast. Very often when a power amp / transistor is overloaded, it pulls way too much current on its collector and effectively shorts out what ever is feeding it.Watching with interest.Now don’t swear at me but I replaced all the old electronics with new in mine; with microswitches behind the FM/AM buttons so everything looks totally stock and all the knobs switches function as they should but I get 20W RMS x2, half decent sound and connection to my iPhone so I can hear the Satnav over the exhaust [emoji12]. Somehow sad that all that lovely design and beautiful engineering you see nowadays fits on a chip or two. Good luck and well done for the great trouble shooting to date! It really isn’t as complex as it looks [emoji106][emoji106] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted July 13, 2019 Thanks for the great advice and support! I still have a scope.(I used to have access to signal generators 30 years ago too). For this, I have just been lazy and have not pulled the scope out yet. I'm lucky and have another radio that works so I should be able to compare voltages and signals through the system. If I can find an FM to AM converter then I will have a 24/7 input source as there are no AM stations here anymore. ? I think I found a supplier for the very old Hitachi Op Amp but I will scope out rather than throw a grenade and replace. The voltages on the Darlington array match the schematic so I am hoping it is ok. Please post a link to your radio upgrade to this thread to help others! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK260 Posted July 13, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 13, 2019 You’re most welcome and I would gladly have popped over to help if you were more local ;)Great that you can still get the original opamp!! At least you can preserve it.I didn’t wish to hijack your thread so I didn’t post the link before but since you asked ...https://zclub.net/community/index.php?threads/stock-radio-modern-internals.20247/It was all done in a bit of a hurry in small increments of time so I didn’t do as good a job as I would have liked, but it works.This little bad boy sits totally invisibly under my passenger seat and kicks out some serious bass for it’s size. On about 1/4 to 1/3 of its volume setting it perfectly “fills in” what the stereo lacks without being wide-boy, as we say in the UK, read “red-neck”.https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product_m-in-phase-car-audio-usw10_p-25817.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted July 13, 2019 Thanks for the link. Fantastic work. Nice job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK260 Posted July 13, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 13, 2019 Thanks buddy, you’re too kind. Oh, just a thought - I didn’t have the heart to bin the original parts. If I can find them, i can either send you the main board or mail you the part you need if you wish? Let me know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted July 13, 2019 Thanks AK. I should be good but someone else reading the thread may wish to have them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted July 13, 2019 btw your UK website is great. It often comes up in searches and @HS30-H has posted superb information on that site for years. I love his S20 rebuild thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK260 Posted July 13, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 13, 2019 btw your UK website is great. It often comes up in searches and [mention=1359]HS30-H[/mention] has posted superb information on that site for years. I love his S20 rebuild thread.Thanks dude! HS30-H (aka Albrech) is our site Yoda! I am forever in awe of / STUNNED by his depth of knowledge (and kindness in helping people out with rare parts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted July 13, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, 240260280 said: I love his S20 rebuild thread. Where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted July 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, HS30-H said: Where is it? I thought this was yours: https://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/236658-1969-nissan-s20-twin-cam-engine-rebuild.html ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted July 14, 2019 Well the 2SB337 power transistors work fine. I swapped modules and the problem did not move. Next will be the OP-Amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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