I am unsure why world organizations have come up with so many rules to make war better. War is ugly and that's just how it is. It's like fighting hand to hand to me. If we fight, you better be prepared, because there are no rules! I suspect the Iranians aren't really totally done, but from here on out will try to have plausible deniability on whatever they dish out next. Part of the problem is that much of the West and America for sure has about a 30 minute memory. These countries in the Middle East are still pissed about stuff that happened 600+ years ago! Now what were you just saying...? [emoji3]

 

 

  

Agreed on the war thing - it is the ugliest of human activities.

 

“Middle East are still pissed about stuff that happened 600+ years ago!” Maybe a little more recent ...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

 

Imagine a scenario where Iran attacked, invaded and controlled Canada and Mexico, moving its army in semi permanently. Then parked it’s aircraft carries and subs in the oceans either side. Now they side with the US’s enemies and arm them too, supporting and funding them. Wouldn’t the US feel just a little threatened and sensitive with a need to defend itself, build nuclear “deferents”!?

 

Now imagine if Iran had a history of overthrowing the US government and pushing it’s own interests for the US’s natural resources. Would the US not be a tad pissed off?

 

I don’t like the mullahs of Iran either but if you look at both sides of this tale with discerning eyes, it’s quite entangled and both sides are as bad as each other in many respects. :(

 

 

On 1/8/2020 at 1:29 AM, 240260280 said:

Not good.

Killing the Iranian General.

NOT GOOD. NOT NEEDED.

Trump would say its not going to go any further, its one conflict that wouldn't end well for anyone and neither side would 'win'.

Its Trumps fault that they're moving away from peace agreements and Nuclear plans, so who out the two is the war monger here?

 

 

Edited January 9, 20205 yr by Jason240z

We simply need to get our oil and products locally.

Also globalization (moving manufacturing, pollution and slavery offshore) is not in our interests morally or from a self sufficiency point of view.

If the Middle East turns off the oil pipes, we would collapse (but not as fast as in the past)

If China stopped shipping products we would also collapse.

So these regions can destroy us without firing a gun..... a very risky position. We need to de-risk and be self-sufficient.

If we stop depending on these countries, they will wither away.  Trump needs to step up trade war with China to get the ball rolling.

Edited January 9, 20205 yr by 240260280

31 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

We simply need to get our oil and products locally.

Also globalization (moving manufacturing, pollution and slavery offshore) is not in our interests morally or from a self sufficiency point of view.

If the Middle East turns off the oil pipes, we would collapse (but not as fast as in the past)

If China stopped shipping products we would also collapse.

So these regions can destroy us without firing a gun..... a very risky position. We need to de-risk and be self-sufficient.

If we stop depending on these countries, they will wither away.  Trump needs to step up trade war with China to get the ball rolling.

I'm doing the largest 'Roll eyes' a man can do.

The US stockpiles its own oil, it imports so it doesn't use its own resources as there's a finite amount.

A trade war would cause the US to collapse(financially), that's why China is more than happy to go 'toe to toe' and even the idiot trump has to soften his stance.

Countries don't 'wither away', they produce products at a price and quality others can't, hence import and export, each has its specialist products normally.

What the whole world needs is a little less trump.  It'd be a safer place without him.

1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

We simply need to get our oil and products locally.

Also globalization (moving manufacturing, pollution and slavery offshore) is not in our interests morally or from a self sufficiency point of view.

If the Middle East turns off the oil pipes, we would collapse (but not as fast as in the past)

If China stopped shipping products we would also collapse.

So these regions can destroy us without firing a gun..... a very risky position. We need to de-risk and be self-sufficient.

If we stop depending on these countries, they will wither away.  Trump needs to step up trade war with China to get the ball rolling.

Sounds like we need a pipeline from Alberta across the country.. so much environmental friendly/non-conflict oil available here and everyone wants to import from the middle east! Irving anyone?

1 hour ago, Jason240z said:

I'm doing the largest 'Roll eyes' a man can do.

The US stockpiles its own oil, it imports so it doesn't use its own resources as there's a finite amount.

A trade war would cause the US to collapse(financially), that's why China is more than happy to go 'toe to toe' and even the idiot trump has to soften his stance.

Countries don't 'wither away', they produce products at a price and quality others can't, hence import and export, each has its specialist products normally.

What the whole world needs is a little less trump.  It'd be a safer place without him.

Sounds like we need a pipeline from Alberta down through the States.... Keystone sound familiar? All the same reasons as above PLUS the fact that more than half of our oil companies in Canada are owned by Americans. When will the world see that Alberta provides the cleanest, most efficient oil producing rigs in the world? With many of our oil companies owned by Indigenous peoples, the only opponents are the ones not sharing the wealth from other provinces! 

hmmmm..... maybe we need to blockade hydroelectric dams in Quebec or offshore rigs in the maritimes, neither of which pay a single dime in to national equalization payments!

 Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A brief look at those that rule the world. We all have some of it. Some more than others.

 An exaggerated sense of self importance

 A sense of entitlement and require constant and excessive admiration

 Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

 Exaggerate achievements and talents

 Preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

 Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

 Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on other people they perceive as inferior

 Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

 Take advantage of others to get what they want

 Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others, lack of compassion

 Be envious of others and believe others envy them

 Behave in a arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

 Insist on having the best of everything

 Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment

 Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted

 React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior

 Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change

 Feel moody and depressed because they fall short of perfection

 Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

 

31 minutes ago, wheee! said:

Sounds like we need a pipeline from Alberta across the country.. so much environmental friendly/non-conflict oil available here and everyone wants to import from the middle east! Irving anyone?

Sounds like we need a pipeline from Alberta down through the States.... Keystone sound familiar? All the same reasons as above PLUS the fact that more than half of our oil companies in Canada are owned by Americans. When will the world see that Alberta provides the cleanest, most efficient oil producing rigs in the world? With many of our oil companies owned by Indigenous peoples, the only opponents are the ones not sharing the wealth from other provinces! 

hmmmm..... maybe we need to blockade hydroelectric dams in Quebec or offshore rigs in the maritimes, neither of which pay a single dime in to national equalization payments!

Send a pipe over here... we want and need it....good luck getting through Quebec.

btw the Trans-mountain Pipeline was only approved because of the work "Trans".

17 minutes ago, Mark Maras said:

 Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A brief look at those that rule the world. We all have some of it. Some more than others.

 An exaggerated sense of self importance

 A sense of entitlement and require constant and excessive admiration

 Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

 Exaggerate achievements and talents

 Preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

 Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

 Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on other people they perceive as inferior

 Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

 Take advantage of others to get what they want

 Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others, lack of compassion

 Be envious of others and believe others envy them

 Behave in a arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

 Insist on having the best of everything

 Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment

 Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted

 React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior

 Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change

 Feel moody and depressed because they fall short of perfection

 Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

 

All the traits of a NYC business man. The people got who they voted for.

 

We got this for a leader:

 

 

 It's their own narcissism that drives them to "obtain" positions of power over others. It is a PERSONALITY DISORDER!

I read up that trait years ago and found something that has helped deal with it better because it's usually someone you work for.

Don't blow air into their ballon.

7 hours ago, AK260 said:

  

Agreed on the war thing - it is the ugliest of human activities.

 

“Middle East are still pissed about stuff that happened 600+ years ago!” Maybe a little more recent ...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

 

Imagine a scenario where Iran attacked, invaded and controlled Canada and Mexico, moving its army in semi permanently. Then parked it’s aircraft carries and subs in the oceans either side. Now they side with the US’s enemies and arm them too, supporting and funding them. Wouldn’t the US feel just a little threatened and sensitive with a need to defend itself, build nuclear “deferents”!?

 

Now imagine if Iran had a history of overthrowing the US government and pushing it’s own interests for the US’s natural resources. Would the US not be a tad pissed off?

 

I don’t like the mullahs of Iran either but if you look at both sides of this tale with discerning eyes, it’s quite entangled and both sides are as bad as each other in many respects. ?

 

 

I have no misconceptions about the  US government. Its a big organization and many of its parts are not looking out for the people's best interests only their own. I agree there are lots of entanglements and many of them were inherited from previous administrations. Some from decades ago. But I also realize I dont have all the facts. The president may or may not have all the facts. It depends on whether those below him put them on his desk. The reality of the office, is you are very dependent on a whole lot of people that you dont even know to provide  you with good information. Since I dont get to see the classified stuff, its hard to make definitive judgements about whether his decisions are good or bad

1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

All the traits of a NYC business man. The people got who they voted for.

 

We got this for a leader:

 

 

hes the guy on the left isn't he? ?