COVID-19

[dhp123166]

Wonder if that will come to pass in the USA?

[240260280]

5 minutes ago, dhp123166 said:

Wonder if that will come to pass in the USA?

YES!!  All world is suffering the same.  The media is not showing the real world.  Have a look at Spain that is just a week or so ahead of us.

STAY HOME!!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqOnMldj1bE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUboAEWnbaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcITx0RP35Q

 

Use closed captions and auto-translate to English for this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3ivCHP_iA

 

[Av8ferg]

Wonder if that will come to pass in the USA?

Health care is a finite resource. When finite resources are pushed beyond capacity rationing must occur. Italy has socialized medicine so that means government bureaucrats get to decide who lives and died...unless you’re one of the privileged class in that system. Do you really think Andrea Bocelli won’t get a ventilator? That type of rationing is unlikely in the US unless we elect Bernie. We will likely have to resort to means rationing. Neither is good but I don’t want the government making the choice that’s for sure.


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[Zed Head]

17 minutes ago, Av8ferg said:

Neither is good but I don’t want the government making the choice that’s for sure.

How does the choice get made?  Who oversees the choice?  Who manages implementation of the choice?  You need to offer something to replace what's here.

[Av8ferg]

I said it would resort to “means” rationing. If you are on Medicare you might not be so lucky. If you are Nancy Pelosi, Sean Penn or Mitt Romney they’ll have a ventilator waiting for you. If you have great insurance you are going to likely get better care. Its pretty simple and it will never change. Under ANY system the elite will get premium care and the only different is under socialized medicine the non-elite have to take what’s been rationed.


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[Zed Head]

17 minutes ago, Av8ferg said:

 Its pretty simple and it will never change. Under ANY system the elite will get premium care and the only different is under socialized medicine the non-elite have to take what’s been rationed.

Sorry.  Can't accept defeatist comments.

[Av8ferg]

This is not defeatist, it is a clear understanding of human nature and human history. Give a contrarian example in human history? We can live in reality or a make believe world. People with money will get better care on average than a poor person. I didn’t say it was right or fair but that doesn’t matter. Why are all these Hollywood Elites getting tested when they have no symptoms. They are “special”, you and I are not and couldn’t get tested unless we meet certain criteria. They used unnecessary “finite” resources....


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[Zed Head]

56 minutes ago, Av8ferg said:

 it is a clear understanding of human nature 

The fatal flaw in your argument.

 

Overall, I don't think that anyone is surprised at how things are turning out, with COVID-19.  None of this is really unexpected.  It's just shocking that it's real.  Things could be better though, that's undeniable.

[240260280]

Cool Taiwan!!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taiwan-covid-19-lessons-1.5505031

[Av8ferg]

Rich buying their own personal ventilators and getting tested before others.....so unpredictable.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/21/exclusive-rich-russians-are-hoarding-ventilators-to-protect-themselves-against-the-coronavirus-a69703


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/rich-and-powerful-jump-to-the-front-of-line-for-tests-and-care

I believe people can be altruistic...many people can act unselfishly but the majority of humanity will chose self over others when a choice has to be made. Its easy to be altruistic when you are wealthy. I don’t consider myself a expert in human psychology but life has taught me some hard lessons about what humans will do when pressed. We seek self-interest, it’s a selected gene in a Darwinian explanation of human survival. I’ve seen it on the battlefield...when people you care about are dying and the enemy is trying to survive. It’s raw, brutal and real.
We also survive because we can work together to solve problems. We instinctively know we win when we work together for a common good. This is where are are now. We need more ventilators...it’s all hands on deck. Re-tool factories to make them ASAP, we are fighting for our own survival. I pray this approach works, if any country can do this, American can.


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[grannyknot]

22 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

Cool Taiwan!!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taiwan-covid-19-lessons-1.5505031

Yeah, I just read that myself, you beat me to it as I was just about to post that here.  Maybe we can lure Taiwans leader away to come manage North America.

[AK260]

I can't figure out what this means.  Sorry.  Is that Ozzy Osbourne upper right?
I did have my haircut by a PHD though.  Professional hair dresser.

Our local hairdressers are shut!! I guess we’ll soon all be Rastas or have shaved heads to avoid looking like one of those parent hair cut pics!

And yes, in the 80s I had the parent bowl hair cut [emoji849][emoji1787]