And, on the topic of guts...

 

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8 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

The stay-at-home guidance is CDC guidance.  The governors are following the science.  Not the gut feel of various people with other motives.

The problem I have with the CDC guidelines is they are just one entity and focus on disease control.  They are not sociologists, Legal experts, financial analysts, behavioral specialists, psychologists or statisticians.  Personally, I think all of these disciplines need to be taken into account when running a country and managing a pandemic.  Unfortunately, I don't think that is happening.

 

10 minutes ago, motorman7 said:

The problem I have with the CDC guidelines is they are just one entity and focus on disease control.   They are not sociologists, Legal experts, financial analysts, behavioral specialists, psychologists or statisticians.  Personally, I think all of these disciplines need to be taken into account when running a country and managing a pandemic.

Unfortunately, I don't think that is happening.

I agree completely.  And there are, or used to be, other departments like the CDC within the White House administration (despite recent attacks on the CDC by White House personnel, the CDC is actually part of the administration.  It's cdc.gov https://www.cdc.gov/) that are supposed to focus on those areas.  All of their work is supposed to be considered by "leaders" at the top and informed decisions made based on the opinions of experts.  These other organizations typically are well-staffed and funded so that expert research and opinions can be obtained in rapid response to problems.  

Unfortunately, I don't think that that is happening.

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In a situation like this, the federal side needs info from the CDC, WHO, epidemiologists, and researchers who are investigating the disease.  There should be a small council of experts (who have no political directive) evaluating this information and making recommendations to the president.  There should be a comparable body of people reviewing the economic situation and evaluating options for increasing access to business and commerce.

In turn, the president should be talking with both those groups, and making decisions based on interactions with those groups, not based on personal whims or ego.

That clearly is not happening. In addition, when the president says that if we do less testing we will have fewer cases reported, there is such an huge gap in logic that it staggers the mind. 

We need a major shift in logic, process, and policy making. 

It's a crap shoot out there, with loaded dice.  Be careful what you think you believe.  Leading the world in testing.  Right...

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/united-states-built-worlds-leading-coronavirus-testing-system/

Edited May 21, 20204 yr by Zed Head

This helps to clarify everything 

That was good.  I posted a Twitter link to somebody mimicking Boris Johnson along the same lines, somewhere back there.  Go to work, don't go to work...  Can't find it now though.

 

This seems relevant, below, overall.  Something for everybody.  "Per capita relative to what".  So exposed...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/news-trend-watch/trump-there8217s-many-per-capitas-20200521

 

 

14 hours ago, Zed Head said:

That was good.  I posted a Twitter link to somebody mimicking Boris Johnson along the same lines, somewhere back there.  Go to work, don't go to work...  Can't find it now though.

She's mighty pretty. I'd listen to her in preference to Boris Johnson.  Johnson looks like a haystack wearing a tie.

I got a kick out of this.  I think his media portrayal is dead on.

 

Nothing in this thread recently.  Now we're in the process of finding out that all the trouble we went to DID make a difference.  The question is whether this resurgence of the virus is part of the first wave, or if it's the second wave.  It only matters to those obsessive about such things.

At least things are more clear now.  People know where to go if they want to show how brave they are.  

Things (prevention) are more clear to a lot of people but not everyone. It really is too bad that mask wearing is becoming a political statement. This latest surge is caused by lack of social distancing, period. When people get together without due care and caution, there'll be a surge in Covid-19 in that area within a week.

 !5%-30% (depending where in the world they are) of hospitalized patients require renal therapy (or outpatient dialysis) due to kidney failure. Currently, there is not enough equipment or technicians to deal with a substantial surge in Covid-19.