Parts for Sale: 4x reproduction Nissan Fairlady Z432 wheels in aluminum

[Sean Dezart]

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4x reproduction Nissan Fairlady Z432 wheels in aluminum

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14x5.5J

ET+25 

PCD 4x114.3

CB 73.1

Weight = 5.82kgs

Color – bronze/anthracite 

No lug nuts supplied but uses standard tapered ones.

Fits Datsun 240Z 260Z 280Z 280ZX and other Datsuns

Icluded is a choice of Z or RealWheel centre-hub stickers (please specify when ordering) and the exclusive leather key-ring

Tires used were 195/70R14

 

Any questions, measurements required, please don’t hesitate to ask.

 

Christmas special price of us$800 plus shipping to your door !

Shipping = 

€100 Europe

us$300 North America

us$350 Middle East and Australia

 

 

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• Advertiser
  Sean Dezart
• Date
  09/21/2020
• Price
  $800.00
• Category
  Parts for Sale

 

[Zed Head]

Do these wheels have a warranty?

And what automotive safety or performance specifications do they meet?

Honest, reasonable questions, for any product.  No offense intended.  I don't see any of this type of information in your ad.  Thanks.

[EuroDat]

I think if we are really honest, a lot of aftermarket parts are questionable when safety comes into play. Take a look at some of the so called brake upgrades and suspension kits. The brake kits are often proven parts in a tested design, but not when several parts out of different designs are combined to make an "upgrade kit".

I think copying someone elses design would raise more ethical questions than strength of design.

[grannyknot]

1 hour ago, EuroDat said:

I think if we are really honest, a lot of aftermarket parts are questionable when safety comes into play. Take a look at some of the so called brake upgrades and suspension kits. The brake kits are often proven parts in a tested design, but not when several parts out of different designs are combined to make an "upgrade kit".

I think copying someone elses design would raise more ethical questions than strength of design.

Even in stock configuration with no mods the Z's gas tank placement makes a Pinto seem like a Volvo.  But you're right about the brake kits, a lot of variables going on there.

[Sean Dezart]

17 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Do these wheels have a warranty?

And what automotive safety or performance specifications do they meet?

Honest, reasonable questions, for any product.  No offense intended.  I don't see any of this type of information in your ad.  Thanks.

Hi.

Reasonable questions indeed and those I would ask of any retailer but I don't see any pertinent information listed here either :

https://jdm-car-parts.com/products/reproduction-fairlady-z432-magnesium-wheels-aluminum-wheel-sold-individually?variant=15222843539565

These wheels are no better nor worse than those offered already in the USA and in the JDM by a reputable Japanese company ; I'm confident that they meet the necessary regulation to be fitted as road wheels.

[Sean Dezart]

17 hours ago, EuroDat said:

I think copying someone elses design would raise more ethical questions than strength of design.

To confirm, there is not a question here of these wheels being copied, nor of them being 'knock-offs' ; they were factory-produced to the same tolerances and details as those already being commercialised.

bona fide

/ˌbəʊnə ˈfʌɪdi,ˌbəʊnə ˈfiːdeɪ/

 

adjective

 

1. genuine; real.

   "she was a bona fide expert"

These wheels are bona-fide reproductions, an amusing contradiction I find and which inspried me to brand them "REAL WHEELS".

Here is the choice of centre-hub stickers which will be available for both styles of wheels.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Sean Dezart

[HS30-H]

2 hours ago, Sean Dezart said:

To confirm, there is not a question here of these wheels being copied, nor of them being 'knock-offs' ; they were factory-produced to the same tolerances and details as those already being commercialised.

bona fide

/ˌbəʊnə ˈfʌɪdi,ˌbəʊnə ˈfiːdeɪ/

 

adjective

 

1. genuine; real.

   "she was a bona fide expert"

These wheels are bona-fide reproductions, an amusing contradiction I find and which inspried me to brand them "REAL WHEELS".

 

Try another dictionary:

Cutting to the chase, these wheels you are selling are effectively M-Speed Japan items, but without the M-Speed Japan stickers and without M-Speed Japan's authorisation. You bought them from the Chinese factory which manufactures them for M-Speed Japan, who are - according to M-Speed Japan's representative - not authorised to sell product which has been made using M-Speed Japan's intellectual property and set-ups.

How can you possibly guarantee that they have been made from the same specification of material, heat treatment and to the same specifications as the wheels made for M-Speed Japan? Have you been to the factory in person? I very very much doubt it.

You first hooked up with these wheels in May this year via a Facebook post from a random kid in Bulgaria who had - I would guess - been trawling Ali Baba pages looking at Chinese-made wheels and put two and two together. Amazing what comes out of the back door of these places if you know the correct way to knock.

In May you didn't even know the difference between the 5.5j 432 type wheel and the 7j Works type wheel, so it is amusing to see you've got key rings and stickers on cue already for your new venture. 

    

[Zed Head]

3 hours ago, Sean Dezart said:

To confirm, there is not a question here of these wheels being copied, nor of them being 'knock-offs' ; they were factory-produced to the same tolerances and details as those already being commercialised.

Actually, they fit the definition, especially if the original M-Speed product is still available from M-Speed.  If M-Speed has discontinued the product then you can argue that you're reproducing a popular design.  I don't know anything about M-Speed but the topic of knockoffs and counterfeits is interesting to me, since I used to work for a large company that fought both while also contracting manufacturing in Asia.  They had problems with product going out the backdoor and also with counterfeit materials coming in the back door to be used to make their product. Those companies, generally, will take extensive measures to make a few more dollars.  Not unlike American companies too, of course.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/knockoff

http://www.mspeed.jp/

http://www.mspeed.jp/p_common.html

 

[240260280]

Well the new versions are certainly less of a fire hazard....so perhaps safer ?

 

[HS30-H]

1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

Well the new versions are certainly less of a fire hazard....so perhaps safer ?

In a fire bad enough to ignite Elektron Magnesium wheels (which the original Kobe Seiko wheels were made from) on an S30-series Z, the fumes from the burning interior plastics and vinyl would kill you first.

M-Speed's replicas are made from Aluminium alloy.

[HS30-H]

21 hours ago, EuroDat said:

I think copying someone elses design would raise more ethical questions than strength of design.

There's effectively no copyright on the original Kobe Seiko design, and several different companies have made replicas over the last 50 years. You cannot label or market them as Kobe Seiko items, that's all.

The problem here is effectively piracy of M-Speed's IP software, molds and R&D. We all know how many of these Chinese factories operate, and to buy product from them - which others have invested time, know-how and money to - is effectively encouraging piracy.

If anybody wanted these wheels, they were freely available for the last two years from M-Speed Japan at a price which reflected the time and expense in setting such a project up. Buying via the back door is bad for all of us in the long run.   

[Namerow]

I agree completely.  And yet, we are dealing with a shift in consumer ethics that had/has no problem with bypassing copyrights to illegally download music and movies and photos.  It seems like the transition from physical product (e.g. vinyl record) to digital product (in music, this was iterative:  cassette tape to CD to online digital) has made people decide that the product is virtual, so the ownership is virtual/meaningless too.  Complicated issue.  Early days.