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[HS30-H]

Not seeing much talk about the Mecum sale of 'The Mike and Debbie Rogers Datsun Collection' in Monterey over the next couple of days.

I hope anyone who bids on the 1970 Nissan Fairlady Z432 (PS30-00105) is well informed regarding its history and its current specification/parts content, as there are a number of inaccuracies in Mecum's listing and in their description of the car.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1088316/1970-nissan-fairlady-z432/

[Carl Beck]

Coming up at Mecum:  Fast Z ?

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1093787/1971-datsun-240z-custom-roadster/   

[26th-Z]

Has anyone mentioned this?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/134685619600

VIN HLS30-00229

 

[26th-Z]

Alan, please post a result if you see it.

[Carl Beck]

16 minutes ago, 26th-Z said:

Has anyone mentioned this?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/134685619600

VIN HLS30-00229

 

EBay - 22 Oct. 2022 - - asking $149,000.00 bid to $50K RNM

Actually looks pretty nice - just non-numbers matching...

[hiyabrad]

11 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Not seeing much talk about the Mecum sale of 'The Mike and Debbie Rogers Datsun Collection' in Monterey over the next couple of days.

I hope anyone who bids on the 1970 Nissan Fairlady Z432 (PS30-00105) is well informed regarding its history and its current specification/parts content, as there are a number of inaccuracies in Mecum's listing and in their description of the car.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1088316/1970-nissan-fairlady-z432/

Can you tell us the history and its current specification/parts content?

[gundee]

12 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Not seeing much talk about the Mecum sale of 'The Mike and Debbie Rogers Datsun Collection' in Monterey over the next couple of days.

I hope anyone who bids on the 1970 Nissan Fairlady Z432 (PS30-00105) is well informed regarding its history and its current specification/parts content, as there are a number of inaccuracies in Mecum's listing and in their description of the car.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1088316/1970-nissan-fairlady-z432/

I am sure you can contact Mecum to correct what is not correct. If they even care I guess.

[Zed Head]

Just stumbled across 229, apparently, on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134685619600

 

[Zed Head]

On 8/12/2023 at 5:47 AM, Reptoid Overlords said:

A rusty '70 for sale Marysville,WA.  It was posted 10 hours ago as of writing this.  The Craigslist ad does not have a picture attached, but the seller has it listed on OfferUp as well.  I understand those not in the continental U.S. can't view links to OfferUp so I saved the pictures and loaded them here.  The craigslist ad appears to be the same os the OfferUp ad. 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/marysville-1970-datsun-240z/7653825977.html 

Can you see bids on OfferUp?  

It might actually have some value.  That green crud grows pretty quick out here, no telling how bad the rest of it is.  Fresh water isn't like salt water.

 

[HS30-H]

6 hours ago, hiyabrad said:

Can you tell us the history and its current specification/parts content?

That's a bigger ask than you possibly realise. 

Mecum's online blurbs claim that the car "...showcases originality and authenticity."

Their line with "The silver exterior..." might indicate that much of the description is cut-and-pasted from another auction listing. In any case, it is wrong. The listing claims that the car was "restored" twice, once in Japan and once in "London" (in fact, bodyshell work was performed in Wales and disassembly-reassembly in Kent).

Judge for yourself whether the work done in Japan would qualify the car as "restored", let alone remaining original and authentic:

https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68418-best-botches-bodges-and-balls-ups

It took a lot of work to reverse most of that. The car received replacement front wings/fenders, bonnet/hood, doors, both rear quarter panels, complete rear panel and floor panels. Many, many 432-specific parts were either missing or had been modified by previous owner(s) and many of the generic 1970 S30-series parts (interior diamond vinyl trim, interior plastic panels, door panels, carpets etc) were either missing or too damaged to re-use. For example, a pair of 1970 HLS30U seats had to be used in lieu of the correct 1970 PS30-D seats (therefore the 'flip forward' lever function is missing) and some of the dash gauges were re-painted to simulate their original specs.

The owner made some somewhat strange decisions regarding finishes (look at that tail lamp trim panel) and also chose to simply leave some non-original parts as-found. For example, the front brake calipers were from an R32 GT-R and the differential was an open R180 unit when the car would have left the factory with a 4.44:1 ratio 2-pinion LSD R192 unit fitted. They remained on the car when it was sold to the owner in the USA. The Mecum description claims the car has an R192 diff, but I doubt that is the case. My impression is that the owner wouldn't know the difference, but the lack of the original differential completely changes the essential character of a 432. 

So, "originality and authenticity"? Not really. It's a nice enough car now (the extensive work performed on the bodyshell in the UK brought it back from the brink, I'd say) and would make a very usable and practical daily driver, but in my opinion it isn't the "exceptional investment opportunity for collectors" that Mecum claim. Yes, that's just sales patter and they all do it, but my worry is that some well-intentioned but not so well-informed buyer might end up believing he's getting Snow White when he's actually getting Joan Rivers. Due Diligence required.           

 

 

 

[HS30-H]

6 hours ago, gundee said:

I am sure you can contact Mecum to correct what is not correct. If they even care I guess.

Indeed, I very much doubt that Mecum would bother. Their small print covers them in any case.

I would guess that the owner/vendor is responsible for some of what is written about the car in the Mecum listings and their supporting media, and he is aware of the car's history.  

[Terrapin Z]

6 hours ago, Zed Head said:

Can you see bids on OfferUp?  

OfferUp is not a bidding site, It is more like Craiglist. It is supposed to hook you up with more local buyers. The have a seller reputation thing as well. 

One of their contact options is to "make an offer" to the seller.