34 minutes ago, HS30-H said:

It's the 'The Mike and Debbie Rogers Datsun Collection' that you need to search for:

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/monterey-2023/lots/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[configure][filters]=&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[refinementList][taxonomies.auction_tax.name][0]=Monterey 2023|1692230400|1692403200&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[refinementList][taxonomies.collection_tax.name][0]=The Mike and Debbie Rogers Datsun Collection|0|0&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[sortBy]=wp_posts_lot_sort_order_asc

It's not *just* 240Zs.

 

Tried it.  No go...

12 minutes ago, SpeedRoo said:

I think most people are missing the point, auctions are about getting the highest amount possible for the item on offer. They don't care whether they educate the public or not, it's all about the sale. I've seen dogs get sold for ridiculous amounts at auction due to the excitement and euphoria in the room. If they can find a buyer for what they are expecting it's worth then good luck to them., if not it will pop up elsewhere for sale. The armchair experts love to complain and point out why it shouldn't achieve reserve, at the end of the day no one really listens or even hears them and the car sells. The next owner may chose to have it restored correctly but that doesn't matter at the auction. The white 1969 240Z from the same collection https://www.mecum.com/lots/1088318/1969-datsun-240z/ also has a very high estimate, be interesting to see if it sells. 

1969 Sold for $120,000. TV commentators barely discussed the rarity of this car as they had no idea. There were several '69 only parts missing from this car.

 

Edited August 19, 20231 yr by hiyabrad

Thanks @hiyabrad $120k seems a fair price for it considering the missing parts. Did it have the original engine?

4 minutes ago, SpeedRoo said:

Thanks @hiyabrad $120k seems a fair price for it considering the missing parts. Did it have the original engine?

Oddly never disclosed. 

Good old Google found it though.

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/monterey-2023/collections/the-mike-and-debbie-rogers-datsun-collection/

Is there a way to view the auction sold prices on Mecum?

1 hour ago, Patcon said:

Is there a way to view the auction sold prices on Mecum?

Here's a link to the results page: https://www.mecum.com/results/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[configure][filters]=taxonomies.run_date.timestamp < 1692403200 OR sold %3D 1 OR bid_goes_on %3D 1&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc[sortBy]=wp_posts_lot

1 hour ago, Patcon said:

Is there a way to view the auction sold prices on Mecum?

 

Steve,

I saw that page but it didn't show bid numbers

2 hours ago, SpeedRoo said:

I think most people are missing the point, auctions are about getting the highest amount possible for the item on offer. They don't care whether they educate the public or not, it's all about the sale.

So pointing out that the Mecum description for 'PS30-00105' is effectively a pack of lies is "missing the point" then?  Call me old fashioned, but I still expect an auction to get what they put in writing right. What they hide, and what they don't know, is part of the game. Lies, not.   

2 hours ago, SpeedRoo said:

The armchair experts love to complain and point out why it shouldn't achieve reserve, at the end of the day no one really listens or even hears them and the car sells.

@ "armchair experts". This thread is a veritable parking lot full of deep-buttoned silk velvet upholstered wingback armchairs. That's what we do. That's what classiczcars.com exists for. Who else is going to do it? The poorly-informed, portfolio-building-and-bailing-out-at-the-right-time-investors who bought something because their 'advisor' told them it was cool won't do it. They don't know sh*t from putty.

What do you classify yourself as then, Tonto?

2 hours ago, Terrapin Z said:

 

@Terrapin Z does it show what Lot S83 the Vintage 240Z went for?

2 hours ago, HS30-H said:

So pointing out that the Mecum description for 'PS30-00105' is effectively a pack of lies is "missing the point" then?  Call me old fashioned, but I still expect an auction to get what they put in writing right. What they hide, and what they don't know, is part of the game. Lies, not. 

As you said yourself in an earlier post: "Yes, that's just sales patter and they all do it," and "Indeed, I very much doubt that Mecum would bother. Their small print covers them in any case. I would guess that the owner/vendor is responsible for some of what is written about the car in the Mecum listings and their supporting media."

 

  @ "armchair experts". This thread is a veritable parking lot full of deep-buttoned silk velvet upholstered wingback armchairs. That's what we do. That's what classiczcars.com exists for. Who else is going to do it? The poorly-informed, portfolio-building-and-bailing-out-at-the-right-time-investors who bought something because their 'advisor' told them it was cool won't do it. They don't know sh*t from putty.

I doubt the auction houses and buyers read what is written here and really care. If they did nothing would ever go to auction. I like the Bring a Trailer format where the bidders can see the comments about each car and use it to make a decision on whether to bid or not, in a live auction like Mecum there is no such facility