Z's on BAT and other places collection

[Carl Beck]

1 hour ago, dutchzcarguy said:

wow.. The last time that happened here was over 10 years ago and i got compensated the next week.. hundreds of euro for a 4 hour no power!  (I wouldn't mind a powercut ones or twice a month that way! 😉 )

The last time that happened here was about 7 years ago. We lost power for about 6 days in that hurricane, I should have been better prepared this time. All in all we're thankful that power was the only thing we lost. Hundreds of people closer to the beach lost their homes and about 8 or 10 lost their lives. One friend lost 4 of his collector cars to storm surge flooding (a 65 Corvette, 65 GTO, 66 Chevelle SS, 68 Cutlass Convert.)  Another neighbor of his lost his house do to fire - - his electric car was flooded with salt water and caught fire burning the house down.

I think there was as bad to worse damage in the States North of us - death toll is up to 80/90 there.

 

[bartsscooterservice]

1 hour ago, Gav240z said:

Easy $100k to restore a 240z in Australia. Lots of parts need to be imported.

Same here, maybe 50k was a low estimate. But if you can do a lot yourself this saves a LOT,

Painting is getting more expensive by the year to. It's crazy the prices they ask the paint shops. Last year I did my 70 mustang with a paint shop I know, they charged me 4500 EURO.  Other shops asked between 6500-9k

[Gav240z]

Yeah I had my FD RX7 repainted 10 years ago in Ireland when I was living in Europe and it cost me around 4,000 euro at the time.

That was considered expensive to some, but I wanted a quality finish.

Replating parts is getting pricey too. But just shop / labour rates have increased a lot, as you say, it pays to do a lot of the work yourself if you can to cut down on costs.

I was quoted $15k AUD to restore a 240z in the late 90s.. that's how much things have changed in 25 years.

[zspert]

"Guild" can't even stand in Paul Taylor's shadow!

[26th-Z]

On 9/29/2024 at 4:00 AM, Route66 said:

 Can you expand on that?  They're in my home state and seem to be growing, haven't heard any first hand accounts pro or con about them.

They have a bad rap.  And not so undeserved from what I read.  I have never seen one of their cars but their pictures look nice.  I don't think they are doing "restorations" any better than a number of people including zspert.  I try to keep up.

[26th-Z]

So where are the bets on the Franklin Mint car?  Will it sell?

[Zed Head]

Seems odd that both of the high dollar Z's are owned by the same guy, Spyder-Man on BaT according to TheGuild, but have titles in different states.  The title for the 72 that is ending today is still from Oklahoma from when TheGuild owned it.  Makes you wonder if it actually sold the last time.  Even though BaT shows "Sold" I don't think that they verify ownership trasnfer.  They just collect their fee and move on.

The Mint car has a North Carolina title and supposedly changed owners after the last sale on BaT.  But the location shows Portland Oregon, where 911r is apparently a professional BaT "seller".

I think that the high dollar collector world is just full of intrigue.  Hard to tell what's really going on.

 

 

[SpeedRoo]

39 minutes ago, Zed Head said:

Seems odd that both of the high dollar Z's are owned by the same guy, Spyder-Man on BaT according to TheGuild, but have titles in different states.  The title for the 72 that is ending today is still from Oklahoma from when TheGuild owned it.  Makes you wonder if it actually sold the last time.  Even though BaT shows "Sold" I don't think that they verify ownership trasnfer.  They just collect their fee and move on.

The Mint car has a North Carolina title and supposedly changed owners after the last sale on BaT.  But the location shows Portland Oregon, where 911r is apparently a professional BaT "seller".

I think that the high dollar collector world is just full of intrigue.  Hard to tell what's really going on.

 

 

I believe Spyder-Man owns a number of car dealerships including a Nissan one. As a dealer they may not have to register the car until they sell it on. Both the cars 911R has listed are in Portland, Oregon currently or were recently.

[Zed Head]

That's what TheGuild implied.  He also said that Spyder-Man displayed cars at the Nissan dealership.  Looks like he paid a "display fee" of about $23,500 for about four years.  $5.875 per year.

Seems really odd that a businessman, a car dealer, would take such a big loss.  Maybe he thinks he's avoiding an even greater loss.  Who knows, but interesting to watch.

If he's taking a loss here, a person would guess he'll take a loss on the Mint car.  Of course, it's only a loss if the previous sales actually occurred, money changing hands.  More stuff to make you wonder.  Maybe BaT is just a facade.

chigger1717 won the auction.  Looks like they bid on a few Z's in the past.

 

[zspert]

My attitude as a business man and human being is this - If you've been convicted of fraud I won't believe a SINGLE WORD you say! I'm just surprised that more don't have the same attitude. However, I'm certain that a sucker is indeed born every minute.

[xs10shl]

5 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

So where are the bets on the Franklin Mint car?  Will it sell?

Mixed emotions on this particular example.  To your point, it was clearly done to a high level during a time where few (if any) 240Z's were restored to this level at all - and for that, it certainly commands the accolades it has garnered over the years.  I'd guess it will match it's previous sale point +/- a few thousand.  Whether or not the seller will let it go for that price point remains to be seen.

The early 240Zs are special to me precisely because they have so many special first-year-only parts- parts which may appear the same to most enthusiasts, but on close inspection have their own unique characteristics.  Unfortunately for this car, much of it's "early car-ness" has been replaced with s30-correct, but later MY replacement parts.  So for me, much of what makes the MY1970 so collectable is no longer present here.  That said, I'd say that 99% of the Z community probably wont notice or care.

Even taking your post on judging guidelines into account, I could foresee a non-zero possibility where this car would show up to a concours where there was another top MY1970 car, with all it's MY1970 parts still attached, and a really knowledgeable Judge may rightly place this Franklin Mint example below it in a tie-breaker because of it.  An additional $10-$15K spent on sourcing many of the correct MY bits would go a long way to alleviating that worry.  Even with my own nitpicky standards, I think if I purchased this car, I'd probably leave the hood as-is, and just replace all the newer parts with as many MY1970 parts as I could source.  It appears to be a fantastic example, and worth this exercise, IMHO.

Such is the challenge- and potential reward- of properly restoring an early car to the highest level.

Edited October 2 by xs10shl

[Zed Head]

The Mint car is really getting the adulation.  People coming out of the woodwork to talk about it.  The story seems bigger than the car itself.  17+ hours to go!!!!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-128/#comments

Edited October 3 by Zed Head