Future of driving a "classic" car

[Zed Head]

I don't think that old labels even work anymore.  The media uses the names to stir things up and keep viewers entertained but they don't really stand for anything specific.  They're just names that people use to insult other people.  As soon as you see the names come up you know that the conversation is dying.

[Pilgrim]

The climate issue has become urgent. It's really hard to get people to pay attention about what is going to happen 20 or 40 years from now.  But if we don't prioritize the climate situation, we're going to have millions of refugees flooding in to all parts of the world from flooding coastal areas, which are generally highly populated.  And the US isn't immune; one estimate is that more than 99 percent of today’s population in 252 coastal towns and cities would have their homes submerged by 2050 if we had an (extreme prediction) 10-foot water level increase. 1,300 square miles of land lie less than 3 feet above the high tide line in California, Oregon and Washington.  I think we all know that much of Florida is at risk, and so areas in CA, MA, NY...you name it. 120 square miles of land lie less than 6 feet above the high tide line in New York. 285 square miles of land lies less than 5 feet above the high tide line in New Jersey. 30% of the total property value sitting on land below 5 ft, falls within just Atlantic City, Ocean City and Beach Haven.

Forbes was the source of that info, although there's not much info about the statistics: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2019/10/30/shocking-new-maps-show-how-sea-level-rise-will-destroy-coastal-cities-by-2050/?sh=2bff534e456c

Buzzfeed even has a site that will let you check where you live for risk of tidal flooding: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/climate-change-map-homes-flooding

Edited November 12, 2020 by Pilgrim

[Zed Head]

Here's some humor, regarding the extremes of the labels.

Who in society is the most ultra conservative, taking absolutely no help from government?  A homeless person.  They should be role models, something to aspire to.

And, Elon Musk is the ultimate troll.  He got the richest most conservative conservatives to drive electric cars (actually I can't prove this I just assumed it.  But that's how things are done these days, although I am 99% sure that Elon Musk is an ultra conservative.  So maybe he's actually trolling the "progressives" and making money from them).  How can that be?  And now he's selling solar panels.  Why? Just burn the natural gas.  There's enough to last years.

https://www.tesla.com/

Edited November 12, 2020 by Zed Head

[Zed Head]

11 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

And the US isn't immune; one estimate is that more than 99 percent of today’s population in 252 coastal towns and cities would have their homes submerged by 2050 if we had an (extreme prediction) 10-foot water level increase. 

DC8 is saying that he doesn't believe this.  And he has a point.  How do we know what to believe?  But, that is also the tool that the current administration is trying to use to stay in power.  Making everything seem unbelievable until people just give up and listen to the guy that says he'll take care of everything.  

In the end people just have to do their own homework, and decide what to believe.  Which is really supposed to be the core of a democracy, the sum of the individual views and decisions.  Nobody should be believing something just because they saw it on the internet or TV channel.  Mass media has always been about manipulating people, to buy the goods that they're selling through advertising.

[Mark Maras]

Instilling fear of "something" and instilling the belief that "someone (egotistical, charismatic leader) and an egotistical group (pick one) has the ONLY answer is the basis of mind control to gain and retain power. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

[Dave WM]

great movie, "the fountainhead"

Edited November 12, 2020 by Dave WM
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[DC871F]

14 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

252 coastal towns and cities would have their homes submerged by 2050 if

So this prediction is better put together than the one Gore put together for 2010?

In your quote above, the key words will be (Would) and (IF).

The reason the divide other than "follow the money" aspect of changing climate, is the crystal ball aspect of it. The only thing we know that will happen about climate change is the massive tax burden that will be put upon the citizens and freedoms lost. Poor nations will get this money, and the corrupt governments will do nothing with it. I have been all over the world and not just garden stops, and have seen first hand the division between governments and its people.

Boondoggle, theres no other term that fits, well maybe robbery.

[Mark Maras]

Sociopathic Narcissism fits too.

[Pilgrim]

Hey friends, there's lots of "if" attached to  climate and temperature changes.  My point is simply that the consequences are severe, and now is the time to be serious about addressing them because the payoffs are down the road but are quite real. There are considerable benefits to all of us if we can change trends that make weather more extreme. 

[Zed Head]

We can wait and see what happens or learn to swim.  Like with COVID and the places that are waiting until it's too late then just suffering through the situation that they could have avoided.  Similar thinking, different time frames.  The scientists have been right.

[Zed Head]

 

[Zed Head]

The scientists aren't always right though.  Anyone remember "peak oil theory"?  Gas prices are supposed to be so high now due to limited supply that we all want electric vehicles just so we can afford to get around.