Posted September 30, 20213 yr comment_629235 Ok, todays challenge is to help me understand how the following broken coil spring situation may have happended. First, a picture is worth a thousand words. 1969 510 rear springs. First two are left and right springs “pieces” on the floor after extraction. Third is the left rear as I saw it initially. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr Author comment_629237 First clue is the vehicle mileage 50.000 miles. Second clue is the condition of spring pockets. Both are filled with very hard packed, very dry mud. I had to literally excavate the mud by chipping and digging with pointy tools to extract the broken ring segments. Third is a usage history. 1969-1980 used by a rural north BC dwelling mother of three. Car was then parked after a low speed front end accident. The car was moved around very sporadically over the remainder of its life. There is no admitted history of extreme driving, though you can just imagine. No other part of the car suggests any General Lee type stunts. Forth is the definite lack of rust in the spring pocket metal or surrounding area. Not like the springs were immersed in water for forty years nor is the spring material shows more than minor rust damage. Edited September 30, 20213 yr by zKars Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr Author comment_629238 Sp the question is, under what conditions would the springs break into so many pieces? The first break is above the packed mud. The remainder were all buried in the terra-very-firma Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629240 My guess is a big bump. Poor quality heat treating on the spring steel. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629255 My first thought was general lee. Dirt road, 3 kids in the car. Jump, coil bind, bad springs.... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629258 They kept driving it after the first break! The spring kept self deteriating. Wouldn’t want to install a new spring when you still have 2/3 of a spring left! Those 510’s are tough little bitches!!!!👍 Edited September 30, 20213 yr by Diseazd Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629259 I think the packed mud is a clue that the car spent time on a dirt road. The mud likely packed between the coils as well as below them and caused coil bind when subjected to full jounce travel over the rough dirt road. The owner likely overloaded the car often with kids and stuff in the trunk making the situation worse. Once a coil broke, the car would sit lower and when not repaired, the next weakest spot failed from being subjected to unusual forces from the spring position. The rust might be minor, but it did likely factor in a bit. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629260 I'm inclined to agree with Jeff G 78. If the mud packed at the bottom of the spring, then the free portion would be carrying the entire load at that corner and it would eventually cause flex fatigue. I'll bet the second break came soon after the first one. Poor little spring. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629271 Here are my original 510 front springs, Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629274 21 minutes ago, grannyknot said: Here are my original 510 front springs, Wow, those look terrible. Did they forget to use spring steel? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
September 30, 20213 yr comment_629278 They look like they've lost their temper. Maybe they've been modified with a low temperature flame (propane, MAPP), and got to their annealing temp for a while. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
October 1, 20213 yr comment_629281 4 hours ago, grannyknot said: Here are my original 510 front springs, Maybe they were designed like that. Variable rate progressives. The lower coils bind on big bumps. You know... Like when you let it down off the jack. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/65865-time-to-speculate-coil-spring-breakage/#findComment-629281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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