SteveJ Posted June 29, 2022 Share #25 Posted June 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, Matthew Abate said: I have a yellow wire ending in a female bullet connector sharing a sleeve with a black wire ending in a female spade connector That black wire extends to where the yellow wire merges into the harness and has another female spade connector At that same point I have a green w/ white wire and a black w/ white wire, both ending in female spade connectors There is also a longer black w/ white wire ending in a female spade connector and shrouded in a black sleeve Yellow - connects to the temp sender Black - goes from the distributor to coil negative Green/white - from ballast resistor to tachometer Black/white - from key switch (ignition power) to ballast resistor Black/white with shroud - from tachometer to coil positive 44 minutes ago, Matthew Abate said: Further up the harness, about 10 inches from the bundle of wires for the lights on the left side of the car, I have 3 wires that have been cut: black w/ yellow, green, and black. See the far left side of the following image. Black/yellow & black - washer motor Green - typically horn 58 minutes ago, Matthew Abate said: The next mystery is a bundle of 4 wires that emerges between the bundle for the starter and the thick branch of wires that holds the wiper motor connector, among others. There are 2 red w/ black ending in male bullet connectors and 2 black w/ yellow ending in female bullet connectors. See the middle of the image below Red/black - reverse light switch on transmission Black/yellow - neutral safety switch for solenoid power 1 hour ago, Matthew Abate said: Lastly, I have two 4 wires emerging from that thick branch that holds the wiper motor connector and what I think is the seatbelt relay (automatic only). There is a black wire that is on its own and has been cut. There is also a bundle of 3 wires: black ending in a male spade connector, black w/ yellow ending in a female spade connector, and yellow with green ending in a female bullet connector. This bundle of wires is about 6 1/2 feet long, and the diagram does not show any yellow w/ green wires. The black was probably a ground - maybe the chassis ground? Black/yellow - solenoid power Yellow/green - not sure why this would be alone. It could be associated with the intermittent wiper relay. Page BE-2 does show the Y/G wire as a pin on a 3 wire connector. The mystery is that BE-2 shows 2 Y/G wires for the engine harness. One is on the blue connector, and the other is on the white connector. However, I only can find the destination of one Y/G wire at the 3 wire connector. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) Thanks @stevej! Some of this is definitely right, but I have some questions about a few things. 8 hours ago, SteveJ said: Black/yellow & black - washer motor Green - typically horn Is the washer motor not up on the washer tank by the firewall? If it is, I think we both has some stuff swapped around. I thought maybe these wires went to the Thermo Switch and other things that connected to the distributor on the Automatic cars. Here's a close crop of the illustration in the FSM where this stuff is. It would be between the lights and the ballast resistor, but I don't see a branch in the harness in the illustration. I'm pretty sure I have the green wires for the horns accounted for in the bundles coming out of the loom near the headlights. This one is further down the harness toward the coil. I chased it back to a splice where it joins a green wire that goes back to the other end. There are two black w/ white wires in that splice as well. These are the ones that go to the coil and stuff you mentioned. 8 hours ago, SteveJ said: The black was probably a ground - maybe the chassis ground? There is a black wire running to a ground next to the battery in the wiring diagram. Do you think it's this one? (Why the hell would someone cut that!?!) 8 hours ago, SteveJ said: Yellow/green - not sure why this would be alone. It could be associated with the intermittent wiper relay. Page BE-2 does show the Y/G wire as a pin on a 3 wire connector. The mystery is that BE-2 shows 2 Y/G wires for the engine harness. One is on the blue connector, and the other is on the white connector. However, I only can find the destination of one Y/G wire at the 3 wire connector. I am wondering if this whole mess actually goes to the washer tank and what I have labeled as the washer tank wire goes somewhere else. Here's where this is in the FSM illustration: It would make sense that this thin branch would be this part given how long it is. However, if it is some of these other things are not what I have them labeled now. Edited June 29, 2022 by Matthew Abate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted June 30, 2022 Share #27 Posted June 30, 2022 Okay, so I went down to my car to take a look to see what I could match up. The black/yellow and green wire are for emissions controls. Matching wire lengths helps, even if the controls have been removed. The black/yellow is for the opener control valve, and the green is for the solenoid valve. Look through the EC section of the FSM for more info. In my car, a previous owner had cut the wires and spliced them back in. I'm not sure why. In looking at the washer motor, my car does not have a yellow/green running to the washer motor. I believe it was black/yellow. I could not find a single yellow/green, only the one in the 3 wire connector for the wiper amplifier. Of course, there's only so much time I'll spend contorted in the footwell to look at the wiring. As for why someone would cut off a body ground...well, I don't use the term IPO (idiot previous owner) for fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted June 30, 2022 Share #28 Posted June 30, 2022 So I did a little more digging. The black/yellow is shown toward the bottom left of the wiring diagram. This shows the green wire. There might be a black/white wire hiding around there, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share #29 Posted June 30, 2022 Thank you for getting in there and checking! I’ll take this back and start chasing the wires to see where things connect on the other end. Maybe that will clear it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted July 1, 2022 Author Share #30 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) I think I found the answer to the yellow w/ green wire question: apparently it's from a low brake fluid/pressure sensor to the e-brake light on the dash. Edited July 1, 2022 by Matthew Abate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted July 1, 2022 Share #31 Posted July 1, 2022 I went to my car to verify and cleaned up the wire. Confirmed! Good sleuthing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted July 1, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) It's labeled "Brake ind." in the diagram and the wire shown is yellow with blue. It's also Yellow w/ Blue on pages BE-5 and BE-6 in the FSM diagram, conflicting with page BE-2. Edited July 1, 2022 by Matthew Abate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted July 1, 2022 Share #33 Posted July 1, 2022 The interesting thing is the wiring diagram lists it as yellow/blue. The stripe sure looks green to me. Maybe it just really faded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share #34 Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) I have another table for you, this time for the engine harness in automatic cars. For manual cars, you would not have the Seatbelt Relay, the Inhibitor Switch, the Thermo Relay, or the Thermo Switch. In a 1973 car with a manual transmission, you WOULD have the Throttle Opener Vacuum Relay for the flat top carburetors (not included in the table). Note that there are a few things I was unsure of in here, so they are marked with a pink background in the table cell. The wires that were cut have indeterminant lengths, so I measured how long they were to the point where they were cut. Where the harness I have differs from the FSM and wiring diagrams, I have marked the change in red. The things I am most curious / worried about are the missing black w/ yellow wire that should be coming out of the blue 10-pin connector and the missing green w/ black wire that should be coming out of the green 10-pin connector. 1973 240z Engine Harness (Automatic Transmission) Inventory Position Component Connector Color Connector Style Connector Image Direction # of Pins # of Wires Diagram Wire Color Sample Wire Color Min. Feet of Wire Needed 1 Instrument Harness A Blue 10-Prong F 10 9 Red w/ Black Red w/ Black 6 (to Yellow Splice C) Red w/ White Red w/ White (Heavy) [See Headlight LH] Green w/ Black Green w/ Black [See Horn Relay] Green w/ Red Green w/ Red [See Horn Relay] – – – Yellow w/ Green Yellow w/ Green [See Low Brake Fluid/Pressure Sensor] Red w/ Black Red w/ Black [See Reverse Light Switch on Trans] Black w/ Yellow – ? Red Red [See Fog Light RH] Blue w/ Yellow Blue w/ White [See Wiper Motor] Instrument Harness B Green 10-Prong F 10 8 Black Black [See Ground - ?] Black Black (Heavy) 2 (to Blue Splice A) Green w/ Black – ? – – – – – – Green w/ Black Green w/ Black [See Parking & T/S & Side Front RH] Green w/ Red Green w/ Red [See Parking & T/S & Side Front LH] Blue Black w/ Yellow [See Seat Belt Relay] Green Green [See Seat Belt Relay] Green Green [See Seat Belt Relay] Instrument Harness C White Black 10-Prong F 10 8 Blue w/ Yellow Blue w/ Yellow [See Wiper Motor] Red Red (Thick) [See Headlight RH] Green w/ Blue Green w/ Blue 5 (to Blue Splice F) Red w/ Blue Red w/ Blue [See Inspection Light] Red w/ Yellow Red w/ Yellow (Thick) [See Headlight LH] – – – – – – Black Black [See Water Tank] Blue Blue [See Wiper Motor] Yellow w/ Green Yellow w/ Green [See Intermittent Relay] Instrument Harness D Black White 10-Prong F 10 9 Blue w/ Red Blue w/ Red 2 (to Yellow Splice A) Yellow w/ Black Yellow w/ Black [See Oil Pressure Switch] Black w/ White Black w/ White 2 (to Orange Splice A) Black w/ White Black w/ White 4 (to Blue Splice C) Yellow w/ White Yellow w/ White [See Temperature Sending Sensor] – – – Green Green [See Hazard] White White [See Hazard] Black w/ White Black [See Ballast Resistor] Green w/ White Green w/ White [See Ballast Resistor] Instrument Harness E White 1 1 White w/ Red White w/ Red (Heavy) [See Alternator] Instrument Harness F White 1 1 White White (Heavy) 3 (to Green Splice A) Horn Relay Clear Spade F 1 1 Green w/ Black Green w/ Black 2 Clear Spade F 1 1 Green Green 7 (to Yellow Splice D) Clear Spade F 1 1 Green w/ Red Green w/ Red 2 Intermittent Relay White 4-Prong F 4 3 Yellow Yellow [See Wiper Motor] Green Black 4 (to Blue Splice B) Yellow w/ Green Yellow w/ Green 2 Hazard White 2-Prong (90 Degree) F 2 2 White White 2 Green Green 2 Yellow Splice A N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Blue w/ Red N/A Red w/ Black 2 Seatbelt Relay (A/T) White 4-Prong F 6 6 Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow [See Neutral Safety Switch] Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow 6 (to Yellow Splice C) Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow [See Inhibitor Switch] Black Black 1 (to Blue Splice A) Green Green 3 Green Green 3 Wiper Motor White 6-Prong F 6 5 Blue w/ White Blue w/ White 4 Blue Blue 4 Blue w/ Yellow Blue w/ Yellow 4 Yellow Yellow 4 Black Black 2 (to Blue Splice A) Blue w/ Red Blue w/ Red 2 (from Yellow Splice A) Ground - ? Missing 1 1 Black 4+ (from Blue Splice A) Water Tank Clear Spade F 1 1 Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow 8 Black Spade M 1 1 Black Black 8 Low Brake Fluid/Pressure Sensor Clear Bullet (Large) F 1 1 Yellow w/ Green Yellow w/ Green 9 Yellow Splice B N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Black w/ Yellow N/A Black w/ Yellow Orange Splice A N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Black w/ White N/A Black w/ Yellow Blue Splice A N/A N/A N/A N/A 3 3 Black N/A Black Black (Heavy) 2 (to Blue Splice B) 3 Reverse Light Switch on Trans Clear Bullet M 1 1 Red w/ Black Red w/ Black 4 Clear Bullet M 1 1 Red Red w/ Black 3 (from Yellow Splice A) Neutral Safety Switch (for solenoid power) Clear Bullet F 1 1 Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow 5 Clear Bullet F 1 1 Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow 5 Blue Splice B N/A N/A N/A N/A 3 3 Black N/A Black (Heavy) Black (Heavy) 2 (to Blue Splice C) Blue Splice C N/A N/A N/A N/A 3 3 Black w/ White N/A Black w/ White Green Green Splice A N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 White (Heavy) N/A White 4 Starter Motor White 1-Prong M 1 1 White White (Heavy) 1 (from Green Splice A) Starter Ground Black Ring N/A 1 1 Black Black (Heavy) 2 (from Blue Splice B) Inhibitor Switch (A/T) Clear Spade F 1 1 Black w/ Yellow Black w/ Yellow 4 Blue Splice D N/A N/A N/A N/A 3 3 Black N/A Black (Heavy) Black (Heavy) 6 Oil Pressure Switch 1 Yellow w/ Black Yellow w/ Black 6 Alternator White 2-Prong F 2 2 White w/ Black White w/ Black 5 Yellow Yellow [See Voltage Regulator] Black Ring w/ Cap N/A 1 1 White w/ Red White w/ Red (Heavy) 5 Alternator Ground Black Ring N/A 1 1 Black Black (Heavy) 2 (from Blue Splice B) 7 Voltage Regulator White 6-Prong F 6 5 Yellow Yellow 2 White White 5 Black Black 5 White w/ Black White w/ Black 5 Black w/ White Black w/ White 5 Distributor Condenser Clear Bullet F 1 1 Black w/ White Black w/ White 5 5 Inspection Light Clear Bullet F 1 1 Red w/ Blue Red w/ Blue 7 Blue Splice E N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Black N/A Black 2 (from Blue Splice D) Yellow Splice C N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Red w/ Black N/A Red w/ Black Blue Splice F N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Green w/ Blue N/A Green w/ Blue Yellow Splice D N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Green N/A Green Orange Splice B N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Red w/ White (Heavy N/A Red w/ Black (Thick) 8 Side Marker Lamp RH Clear Bullet F 1 1 Green w/ Blue Green w/ Blue 2 (from Blue Splice F) Clear Bullet M 1 1 Black Black 2 (from Blue Splice E) Parking & T/S & Side Front RH White 3-Prong F 3 5 Black Black 6 Black 6 Green w/ Blue Green w/ Blue 2 (from Blue Splice F) Green w/ Blue 2 (to Blue Splice G) Green w/ Black Green w/ Black 6 Head Light RH White 3-Prong M 3 3 Red Red (Thick) 6 Red w/ Black Red w/ Black 6 Red w/ White Red w/ Black 1 (from Yellow Splice C) Fog Light RH Clear Bullet M 1 1 Black Black 6 Clear Bullet F 1 2 Red Red [See Fog Light LH] 6 Horn RH Clear Spade F 1 1 Green Green 6 Blue Splice G N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Green w/ Blue N/A Green w/ Blue Blue Splice H N/A N/A N/A N/A 2 2 Black N/A Black 9 Horn LH Clear Spade F 1 1 Green Green 8 Fog Light LH Clear Bullet M 1 1 Black Black 8 Clear Bullet F 1 1 Red Red 8 Parking & T/S & Side Front LH White 3-Prong F 3 3 Black Black 8 Green w/ Red Green w/ Red 8 Green w/ Blue Green w/ Blue 1 (from Blue Splice G) Head Light LH White 3-Prong M 3 3 Red w/ Yellow Red w/ Yellow 8 Red w/ White Red w/ White (Heavy) 8 Red w/ Black Red w/ Black 3 (to Yellow Splice C) Side Marker Lamp LH Clear Bullet F 1 1 Black Black 8 Clear Bullet M 1 1 Green w/ Blue Green w/ Blue 1 (from Blue Splice G) 10 Thermo Switch (A/T) - ? Missing 1 Black w/ Yellow 7+ (from Yellow Splice B) Thermo Relay (A/T) Missing 1 Black Black 9+ Missing 1 Green Green 9+ 11 Temperature Sending Sensor Clear Bullet F 1 1 Yellow w/ White Yellow w/ White 13 Distributor Clear Spade F 1 1 Black Black [See Coil] Coil Positive Clear Spade F 1 1 Black w/ White (w/ Shroud) Black w/ White (w/ Shroud) 12 (from Orange Splice A) Coil Negative Clear Spade F 1 1 Black Black 2 Balast Resistor Clear Spade F 1 1 Green w/ White Green w/ White 12 Clear Spade F 1 1 Black w/ White Black w/ White 12 Edited July 12, 2022 by Matthew Abate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patcon Posted July 10, 2022 Share #35 Posted July 10, 2022 I love this table! I would love to see a hardware table like this for the 240z with pictures of the fasteners beside the descriptions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Abate Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share #36 Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) Thanks! I am hopeful that I didn't make any errors. If I did it would most likely be with the measurements of the wire lengths, since I was super tired of working on this harness by the time I got to that step. I checked them a couple of times, so they should be right, but there are a lot more splices in this harness than there were in the body harness and they are mostly blue or yellow, so difficult to keep straight. I'm also bothered by the fact that someone cut 4 of the wires and I can't tell you how long they should be or what the connector should be. :/ ––– Also, I was wondering if anyone knows what gauges the OEM wires are. It looks like there are 3, maybe 4 sizes, which I have tried to indicate with (heavy) and (thick) next to the wire colors in the table. Edited July 10, 2022 by Matthew Abate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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