Advice on a white Datsun 240Z from 12-1971

[Carl Beck]

On 10/2/2022 at 5:17 AM, Makada said:

Hi all,

 

I would like your opinion on this white Datsun 240Z from 12-1971

The car as a whole and hidden rust on floor panels maybe?

With the kindest regards,

 

Mark

 

https://www.zsportscarz.nl/1972-datsun-240z-coupe-series-2-kilimanjaro-white/

HI Mark - First, where is Middelburg?   Over-all, from the pictures - Looks like the original engine is missing/changed. That would hurt its value somewhat when jthe car appears to be mostly "stock".  The diamond vinyl is aftermarket and not very appealing to most, the door panels and plastic interior panels are heavily dyed..and some look broken.  The engine compartment could use a lot of detailing/cleaning..

All that considered - the Asking Price seems very reasonable to me, given that it has been imported,  the duties/taxes are paid etc. That alone today might be $8,000.00 USD.  If you are in the Netherlands or close by - seems like a good opportunity.  In any case you should expect to put several thousands of Euro's/Dollars into it - once you own, drive and fall in love with the 240Z. 

FWIW,

Carl B.

[jonathanrussell]

1 hour ago, 26th-Z said:

Ya' know, I hate to argue with you, jonathanrussell, but the cars did not leave the factory with undercoating.  And any undercoating was not applied to bare metal.  The cars had a complete painted finish.  Granted, the undersides had a thicker textured paint finish but not undercoating.  And not the finish on this example.  

I think we have to agree to disagree. The thicker textured paint finish....when you remove it....reveals itself as nothing but black tar undercoating with body paint on top. It is not a thicker textured color mixed finish. And, the black tar undercoat is applied directly to bare metal. 

Apologies to the OP for me getting us sidetracked.

[Makada]

22 hours ago, siteunseen said:

That looks like @jalexquijano car????

Is it?

Maybe he or someone else can provide soms more info on the car if so?

Ive read somewhere that if it is that car, it has a special engine in it...

 

With the kindest regards,

 

Mark

[Carl Beck]

1 hour ago, jonathanrussell said:

I think we have to agree to disagree.

You might be disagreeing about two different situations/cases.

In Mr. Uemura’s book he tells us why the Datsun 240Z’s were not undercoated at the factory as regular production began, and that the Dealers were advised to undercoat the 240Z's on Delivery.    https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=Datsun+240Z

 

By the 1972 model year (and perhaps some time before) Nissan was using more galvanized sheet metal in the floors, firewalls and hood bracing. So you have to be specific about which model years you are talking about when it comes to undercoatings/paint etc.    Big Difference between 70/71 and 72/73.  72/73's were undercoated at the factory. 

 

To get primer/paint to stick to galvanized sheetmetal, the sheetmetal had to neutralized (cleaned/cleared of  zinc hydroxide) in order to get the primers to adhere to the metal.  Nonetheless over longer periods of time the primers/paint would start to peel off as the galvanized metal continued to oxidize under it. 

 

If you see a lot of 72/73 240Z’s that haven’t already been repainted etc - you will usually see the paint peeling off - on the firewall and front hood braces. When the original primer peels off the metal, it takes the paint with it. So you see bare usually grayed bare metal.

 

When you see the factory applied undercoating peel or flake off exposing bare metal - it is because the primer/paint under the undercoating is peeling off the galvanized metal - not because the undercoating was applied directly to the metal. 

[bluez]

Great info, thanks for the clarification.