Japanese RHD HS30 variations 70-74

[HS30-H]

1 hour ago, dspillman said:

This car does appear to have a decent quality g-nose kit attached, along with riveted on fender skirts, and other details to replicate the ZG version.    I'm torn in which direction to proceed, either return it to Z-L specs, or put back together as a "tribute car of sorts".        I do so appreciate your patience with my questions.    Part of my equation for now is determining the rarity of the HS30 DX or "L" model versus the entirety of HS30 production run from 71-73....       I do realize very few modifications were made to the HS30 body the create the ZG  model, 

I can see your dilemma. Ultimately it is up to you, but as you already have a good quality Grande Nose and overfenders (very likely a genuine factory 5-piece kit plus genuine factory overfenders) and it was clearly fitted a long time ago, then maybe it would be fitting to keep it. Part of the car's story.

On the other hand, you could sell on the Grande Nose and overfenders and use the money they bring as an assist in a return to factory stock 240Z-L bodywork. Maybe factory body colour (white?) too? Period/period-sympathetic modifications and updates would not be out of place. Glenn Chiou's gorgeous blue Fairlady 240Z-L is a great role model.

In any case, I'd like to see more photos when you are ready.     

[dspillman]

Thank you so much for responding, yes I do enjoy the look, and as coincidence would have it, I obtained a set of proper gnose head light covers and trim with a purchase recently, that would complete the “look”.   
       At this time, Is the demand high enough to justify the expense of restoring  a DX model to high standard?      Likely not sale either way, really have not sold any z to speak of  since the affliction attached to me.  I do have another car HLS30 could really make a hybrid out of with the gnose.

      Thank you again for your patience today 

[kats]

Wow ! First thing that caught my eyes is HS30-10324, your car has a FS5C71A (people say monkey action/ three-piece casing etc) in the new introduced center console. This combination was applied for very limited HS30 series (export and Japan) ,from HS30-10001 to 10634, Oct 1971 to Jan 1972.

I have heard typical problems from the owners and mechanics who tried to get assorted parts of the transmission for the cars in that period. People usually thought the new center console should have coupled with a two-piece casing transmission, and also parts catalog did not say anything specific. So it was common that even Nissan parts center provided parts which couldn’t use for their cars.

For the 4 speed cars, the new center console started from around Oct 1971 got a F4W71B, two-piece casing.

Kats

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by kats

[kats]

Here is my view-point to see a Fairlady 240ZG, I show some pictures to enjoy.

Could you see the chopped  bracket which is used for the cars non-G nose S30? This is how Nissan Shatai did at the assembly line. 
 

About a torsion bar, HZG needs  to have stiffer ones so that be able to assist operation the bonnet like other cars. G-nose bonnet bracket needs to be compact and perform differently and appropriately for not to obstruct the nose center piece.

A big unique towing bracket is exclusively made for HZG. This one is hard to find if the car lost it.

Kats

Edited February 18, 2023 by kats

[dspillman]

Thank you so much for responding, yes, those items mentioned are all on my car , but also some duct work, seemingly funneling air to the center of radiator?

[dspillman]

Surprised the center grill mount left intact on mine and your pictures. I assume from legit NG/HH car?

    Not quite sure of the “snapped bracket”?

Edited February 14, 2023 by dspillman

[kats]

Wow ! HZG important items are still there ! 
 

I am talking about the chopped bracket is this, please see the pictures hope this helps.

Kats

[kats]

The duct works, in the Service Shuho(service bulletins) it says the duct for the Automatic transmission car. I was thinking it is mis-writing for the Air conditioned car. But now I am feeling the book says true. Because the radiator of the automatic transmission has a oil tank to cool the oil of the automatic transmission. So, the duct is needed to cool the oil tank under the radiator.This was added in September 1972.

So up to September 1972, no duct for the lower nose. Mine doesn’t have it because my ZG was made June 1972.

Kats

[dspillman]

Ah I see, the side grill mount bracket.

 I will be back with car tomorrow and check for the bracket condition.

 Looking at the vin, would place this car as a 1971 car or 72 ? In your opinion?

   Thank you! 

Edited February 14, 2023 by dspillman
More question…

[kats]

Let’s move on to other items, I believe you have already gone through every details that we have been talking about, but I will do this so please stay with me.

The over fenders, rear bumper and bracket wiper arm and blade.

Over fenders have identification label for each of them, in the picture you see “FL” means Front Left. 
Even more, the most important thing is the shape of the over fender. It has certain edge around corners, you will find genuine ones are very different and beautiful. 
I showed new over fenders bough from Nissan before but they lost their crisp edge, however they are still Nissan genuine parts probably made in 80s and 90s.

What I want to say is, over fenders which came with a car from the factory assembly line is different from the ones later provided.

Please see the position of the rivets too, they are not exactly the same to other cars but we see some general appearance on them.

And one thing for the front over fenders, genuine original one has a kind of square-ish corner at the front end.

Kats

Edited February 14, 2023 by kats

[dspillman]

We have already removed the “flares….over fenders”    There is corner identification, but it is more on a small white or  silver tag like marked with 2 letter for corresponding corner.     I’ll have to look in morning to give better idea, or picture.

[kats]

1971 or 1972, I know it is important for the US owners but I just don’t know about it. Using the interview “100 HZG a month”, your car would be completed in between November 1971 to December 1971.
( let’s say 200 HS30 cars a month, 70 for export, 130 for Japan.  If  80% of them HZG, approximately 100 HZG).

Oh, with that in mind, your car must have had a non- duct lower G-nose originally. There is a possibility to have replaced at some point. It is well known story that if you ordered the lower G-nose later let’s say in 80s, 90s and early 2000, Nissan provided only duct fitted lower G-nose. We can understand that because Nissan was going to sell Fairlady 260Z ( fuel injected L26 with G-nose 2 seater and 2+2) in 1974, Nissan prepared and made G-nose parts with duct. So we think Nissan sells those to us from their inventory. 
 

Kats

Edited February 14, 2023 by kats
HS30-10324 would be made in November 1971