Posted May 24, 20231 yr comment_653834 Recently purchased '74 260Z with non running side marker lights (everything else lights up). Stock fuse components. PO conveniently cut the wires on all 4 side markers. I spliced one side marker (cleaned housing, etc) and replaced with new same spec bulb. Turned on the combo switch, bulb lit up along with front/rear running lights. Within a minute - all the lights went out. Checked 20A fuse for PARK/TAIL and it's OK (replaced it also, lamps still out), removed fuse box and inspected behind for signs of failure - all looks good too (no crusty stuff). Is my issue now the combo switch like I've been reading? Cheers. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 24, 20231 yr comment_653835 good question.. It can be a lot.. Don't know if you are handy with a multimeter but there is a saying here: measuring is knowing, the rest you can forget! Just follow the power on the wiring.. if there is no power "behind" the switch.. this is the culprit.. It's important to do this in a sertain sequence.. Maybe a circuit diagram (here on the site) of your car comes in handy? You can learn a lot of this! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 24, 20231 yr comment_653857 If you have not already done so, download the FSM for your car - it will have your wiring diagram: http://xenonzcar.com/s30/files/FSM/1974 260z FSM.zip It definitely sounds like you have a dead short somewhere, that is why the PO cut the wires. Interesting that it does not take out a fuse, perhaps wiring somewhere is heating up to the point of separating and killing the circuit. Since everything worked one time when you made repairs and hit the combo switch suggests the switch is not the culprit. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 26, 20231 yr Author comment_653910 I'll try to get this sorted out with your tips and get this resolved. Cheers! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 26, 20231 yr comment_653911 There is a problem with the 73-76 cars, and the 77-78 cars are only marginally better. The 20A fuse is too big to protect the wiring, especially with all of the connectors. The weakest connector is the 9-pin connector between the combo switch and dash harness. (The connector is different in the 77-78, but I've seen the problem there, too.) It will overheat with too much current flowing through it. Here is an example of a damaged one that I happen to have handy. The green wires you see are the ones for the parking light circuit. I hope the damage is obvious. The connection got so hot, the plastic started to melt. A solution: Replace the connector. You can find it at http://www.vintageconnections.com/ You may want to buy the pin removal tools. No matter what, it's a PITA to de-pin the old connector IMHO. Replace the side markers and gauge lights with LEDs. If you replace the front and rear markers, you'll also need to change to electronic turn signal flasher relays. Note: You can't just buy any LED bulbs for the gauge lights. Another user on this site found polarity independent bulbs that fit well. I will attach a suggested list of LED bulbs. Change the fuse for the parking lights to 10A. The reason why this solution works is that the current draw through the circuit has been reduced. That reduces the heat through the connector. If there is a short in the circuit, the fuse will blow before there is too much current flowing through the vulnerable connector. LED bulb list.txt Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 26, 20231 yr comment_653912 And just in case, here's an out-in-left-field issue I had to deal with a few years back when I lost my lights: Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 26, 20231 yr Author comment_653915 Thanks @SteveJ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 26, 20231 yr Author comment_653921 Opened up the stalk and it looks like we have a relay… I’m not sure yet what the loose connector is for. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 27, 20231 yr comment_653927 It looks like someone installed a relay for the parking light circuit. See if you can hear the relay click when you turn on the parking lights. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 27, 20231 yr comment_653935 Here's a possible approach: if the relay appears to be the only PO mod, consider using your FSM wiring diagram to put everything back to OE state. Then proceed with debugging your wiring from a known baseline. Otherwise you are chasing bugs from an unknown starting position and having to compensate for his mod(s).. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 27, 20231 yr Author comment_653936 The relay checks out and is clicking. I did remove the relay and went OE state. Still no running lights. Now the hazard and breaker lights are out too. 😞 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
May 27, 20231 yr Author comment_653937 Where is C5 physically located? Are they labeled? Thanks guys. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/68352-side-markersrunningdash-lights-out/#findComment-653937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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