Posted December 30, 2024Dec 30 comment_672706 I bought a low mileage '71 about 9 years ago. Shortly after I bought it, I replaced the brake master cylinder. I probably bought the new brake master at z car depo since that is my usual go to store. My car experienced a mishap while on the back of a flat bed wrecker truck so I now have some unplanned restoration work to be done. I was tearing the car down and removed the master cylinder from the brake booster. Over time, brake fluid has run down behind the aluminum flange and ate the paint from the booster. The bottom bolt on the booster has light rust on it now. It didnt before.  I can't imagine that I did anything wrong during installation. If the nuts are tight, there isnt too much you can do wrong. Did I do something wrong or is the brake master bad? The car probably has 2,000 on that brake master. Possibly less. I didnt install a gasket but I dont think it had one. I seem to recall a gasket between the firewall and the booster but not between the aluminum flange and the brake master. Any advice even if it is wrong would be appreciated.  Thanks Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
December 30, 2024Dec 30 comment_672707 Your brake master cylinder should not have any gasket between it and the booster. There is no fluid or air pressure passing between these two parts, hence no gasket or seal. You likely have a leaky master cylinder. The rubber o-rings inside the master cylinder can leak, causing brake fluid to exit the rear of the master cylinder, then it leaks through the (non-sealed) mating surface between the master cylinder and the booster. It then dribbles down the outside of your booster and causes the paint peeling you're seeing. I'd start with a new master cylinder or get your existing one rebuilt. Keep in mind, you have an early 71, so make sure you verify the reservoirs are in the correct orientation on any new master cylinder you get. There was a change in 1973 (i think) that swapped the front and rear reservoirs. For a 71, I believe your front brake reservoir is in FRONT and the rear brake reservoir is in the REAR. in 1973, the designed changed and those were swapped. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1Jan 1 Author comment_672746 Thanks for the help. I sure wish I would have kept a closer watch on this. My brake booster was in excellent shape. Now it is ruined. 😞 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1Jan 1 comment_672750 Good luck finding the correct master cylinder. I have been trying to restore my original master cylinder (7/71) but have been unable to remove the fwd piston which is stuck inside. This is an off and on again project. Been trying for a year to find an original master cylinder with the front brake reservoir in front with no luck. Make sure you check that the fwd reservoir is stamped with an "F" beneath it, one fellow just switched the reservoirs on top and trying to ply that off on me as an original. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1Jan 1 comment_672755 I believe I have a couple of early master cylinders in working order. Definitely used, but should be rebuildable. Message me after the new year and I can something on the way to you if you like. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 comment_672756 5 hours ago, Zpenman said: Good luck finding the correct master cylinder. I have been trying to restore my original master cylinder (7/71) but have been unable to remove the fwd piston which is stuck inside. This is an off and on again project. Been trying for a year to find an original master cylinder with the front brake reservoir in front with no luck. Make sure you check that the fwd reservoir is stamped with an "F" beneath it, one fellow just switched the reservoirs on top and trying to ply that off on me as an original. Have you tried heat and penetrating oil? I have found if I heat it to 350f or so and put some oil down it, I can push down on the pushrod with a punch to get it loosened up. Then it will tap right out. The aluminum grows faster than the steel pistons. Rebuild kits is another matter... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 comment_672757 35 minutes ago, Patcon said: Have you tried heat and penetrating oil? I have found if I heat it to 350f or so and put some oil down it, I can push down on the pushrod with a punch to get it loosened up. Then it will tap right out. The aluminum grows faster than the steel pistons. Rebuild kits is another matter... Thanks, Patcon, will give it a try. Heated it in a pot of boiling water mixed with WD40, no luck. Tried the freezer, too, without luck. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 comment_672758 It can take a good bit of heat. Your hood up to about 1000d F after about 1200 you get aluminum puddles A good electric heat gun. Chuck it up in a vise pointing upward. Add some wd40 and heat it up. I use an IR gun to monitor heat Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 comment_672760 3 hours ago, zKars said: I believe I have a couple of early master cylinders used, but should be rebuildable. I've looked around for rebuild kits with very limited success. The only rebuild kits I've found that I think are correct are on ebay for big money. I've been working with another supplier on putting together a correct kit, but no luck so far. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 Author comment_672797 What is the harm with installing the later '72+ version of the master cylinder? Factory versions of those are still available. Other than the reservoirs are switched, is there any other difference? That is what I installed on it previously except it was aftermarket. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2Jan 2 comment_672807 I currently have a later version on my car. The brakes work fine, albeit they seem a little touchy. The biggest problem is you that have to swap the front and rear brake lines that go to the master cylinder. This requires physically bending the brake lines. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 3Jan 3 comment_672811 8 hours ago, Zpenman said: I currently have a later version on my car. The brakes work fine, albeit they seem a little touchy. The biggest problem is you that have to swap the front and rear brake lines that go to the master cylinder. This requires physically bending the brake lines. As far as I know, nothing wrong with this approach. I think many folks have had to do this. Kinda a bummer to bend the factory lines, but hey, gotta make it work. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69201-brake-master-cylinder-woes/#findComment-672811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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