kats Posted October 2, 2003 Share #13 Posted October 2, 2003 Hi,I can see the steel wheels are different and these are what Mr.MATSUO told me before he wanted to put as standerd equipment for 240Z but NISSAN refused because of much higher cost.Thanks,kats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee Posted October 2, 2003 Share #14 Posted October 2, 2003 The hump in the bonnet is a lot higher. Maybe they decided not to do that for aerodynamic reasons, or does it just make it difficult to see out of the windscreen?? Still, it looks better than that "customised" zed that someone posted a few months ago with the two fellas names on the back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26th-Z Posted October 2, 2003 Share #15 Posted October 2, 2003 The car has no side marker lights or the cutouts for them. I enlarged the wheel and in so doing, was able to look across to see the cutouts for the shark vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ManyZs Posted October 2, 2003 Share #16 Posted October 2, 2003 Not sure if it's the fuzzy pic or not, but it looks like the rockers extend lower than the production cars.'And, I don't see an inspection lid that ought to be sticking straight up with the way the front is buckled......BTW, Kats I like the wheels, it's a shame they didn't put them on all the cars instead of the plain steel wheels with the hubcaps... are these similar to the ones on the 432R in you photo on another post or and I seeing things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260z Posted October 2, 2003 Share #17 Posted October 2, 2003 Does it have hatch door? I cant spot the seams. It seems that it just has rearwindow cutout but no hatch door??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share #18 Posted October 2, 2003 Lots of good differences pointed out - well done everybody. I've been looking at this photo for a long time, and keep seeing more and more things that are strange - but some of the comments have made me look again. Great fun. I would have thought that this crash test car WOULD have had an engine and transmission installed, or the crash test results would have been rather meaningless? Its clear that this crash test car has many features that are different to the production specs, but its possibly a bit dangerous to comment in too much detail on the front end as its so mashed up from the impact. I think I can see an inspection lid still in its horizontal position, and its possible that the bonnet ( hood ) has overlapped the scuttle panel after impact too. Nobody has mentioned that its another RHD prototype. I would suppose that is a large block of something heavy on the drivers seat - simulating the weight of the driver? Here's a clearer pic of the pressed steel four-spoke wheels on one of the prototypes. They were quite different to the Magnesium wheels on the 432 ( made by Kobe Seiko ). This car has similarities and differences to the crash test car: Alan T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrally Posted October 2, 2003 Share #19 Posted October 2, 2003 Originally posted by HS30-H Nobody has mentioned that its another RHD prototype. Alan T. Huh! I knew you couldn't let that one pass....... Further proof of the RHD Theory..... MOM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kats Posted October 5, 2003 Share #20 Posted October 5, 2003 Hi, This photo is from a May 1970 DATSUN 240Z service bulletin. You can see "HL270". 270 is a "KAIHATSU-KIGOU"means development or project or pre-production code of S30. S30 is a model name,you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kats Posted October 5, 2003 Share #21 Posted October 5, 2003 Hi 2ManyZs, As Alan posted,the wheels on the test vehicle are different from actual sold model"Z-432". Z-432's wheel is made of magnesium,so at that time owners were cautioned not to remain in solt-water. 1970 Jan magazine said 50,000yen for 1 wheel(aproximately $150 U.S.)This wheel was very expensive,now they are still expensive in yahoo auction in JAPAN.$1,000 U.S. for 4 wheels. Thanks, kats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share #22 Posted October 5, 2003 Hi Kats,Great photo!I presume that your photo is of either a full production-spec. car - or something very close to it. It certainly looks very close to a production spec - even down to the emblems.Its clear that the Factory would have been conducting crash-tests right through pre-production, but possibly well into production too? I wonder how many cars they tested, and whether these bodies were assigned full VIN numbers?Fascinating!Alan T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Dezart Posted October 5, 2003 Share #23 Posted October 5, 2003 Tucked away, I've a video of a prototype being induced to roll being pulled with a cable and another shot of a (the) crash test. On the same video there is a Japanese test driver (complete with leather helmet with ear-flaps) doing a slalom course and high speed banking ! All RHD of course !Alan - you need to contact me re you know what from your garage !ps hi all - it's been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted October 5, 2003 Share #24 Posted October 5, 2003 Alan, can we pick on the differences we notice on your second picture, the proto-2?I'm wondering if it's an illusion or does the fender (wing) blend with the headlight bucket? Maybe a one piece? And what is that dark shadow by the right rear tire? Are the bumper guards larger?Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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