Japanese Domestic Market

[brianglawson]

where did the pics go, i liked em...

[280zx Fever]

Your not saying these images are your own. If you include a link to where you got them from i cannot see any real issues...

Your not using them in anyway to make money from yadda yadda yadda yadda.....

I say all of this because i didnt see them all link me link me

[ZmeFly]

to the event pics, if you dont have a translater its in japanese, but if you look to the left of what looks to be a 510 with a huge hood scoop you will see 4 links and they are to the pics.

here you go and enjoy http://hirostyle.com/eventtop.htm

[Ben]

The copyright angle can get quite confusing (interesting?)sometimes.

For example, my dad has posted several hundred images to the Sony ImageStation web site. On that site it clearly states that once you have uploaded an image, the ownership & copyright is transferred to Sony.....

My personal take on that is that he still owns the shots & I expect our local copy to be around longer than the ImageStation site!

I've got lost of images of various automotive events on my web page, and they were all taken by me, my girlfriend (the resident camera thief....), or one of my associates at the event.

I'd rather keep a copy on my own web than risk losing ownership of my material. That's not to say that there aren't images of my cars/events on other webs (including this one).

[HS30-H]

ZmeFly,

Thanks for taking my points in the spirit that they were intended.

I didn't want to be a spoilsport. I just think its worth us, as the members of this site, being careful about where we get images from. I think this site seems to have a good reputation, and its worth preserving that.

I think a good rule of thumb would be - 'if in doubt, just post a link'.

Copyright law is indeed very complicated and sometimes open to interpretation. When it applies to the Internet, its even more complicated. There are exceptions for 'Fair Use' and critique purposes, which allow us to quote sections of text or use some images for the purposes of discussion. However, above all else we have to use common sense and discretion.

If you have personally contacted the owner / administrator of the site that you downloaded the pictures from, and got his blessing to use the images here, then I see little or no problem. It at least ensures that nobody will be getting upset or offended.

All the best,

Alan T.

[Bambikiller240]

Are the latest images uploaded from the same website or a different one? Looks like the photo's are of a gathering at the same venue. (Sagamiko Picnic Land)

[HS30-H]

Originally posted by Mr Camouflage

Most copyright laws will state that the owner of the copyright of the photo belongs to the photographer.

Alan who ownes the rights to your photos, you or Mike?

Just because they uploaded them to a website (this one or any other one) doesn't transfer the ownership of the photo to the website. Think about it. This website doesnt own the copyright to the photos I have taken of my car. Nor would the other site, unless the photographer was employed to take photos of the cars on behalf of the website.

The owner(s) of the photographs by uploading them and making them available for all to see, view and download, presumably doesnt mind other people doing this or they wouldnt have uploaded them in the first place.

Hi Mr Camouflage,

I think your views on this matter are quite different to mine. As far as I am concerned, the Internet should NOT be a free-for-all of stealing / misappropriating images in just the same way that a bookshop or reference library should not be a place where anyone with a pair of scissors can do what they like................

When I upload images to this site, I am in effect passing a certain amount of ownership to classiczcars.com

However, they are then covered by the copyright of the site - so I hope nobody thinks that this gives them the right to do what they like with them. I accept that this means almost anybody will be able to download / store / print them for their own use - but if I spot them USING one of my photos for unfair or unapproved use then I would feel justified in pointing out to them in no uncertain terms that what they are doing is contrary to Copyright law.

99.99% of the images that I have uploaded to the Gallery of this site are photos that I have taken myself with my own camera. Before uploading them to this site, I have to compress and resize them to fit the format of the Gallery. These resized and compressed images are then 'watermarked' with the site URL before they are cleared in the Gallery. At that point, I have allowed these resized and compressed versions of my pictures to come under the copyright of this site. Your question of whether Mike or myself 'owns' the pictures at this point is academic; they are covered by the site copyright and I expect that to be fully enforced. If I spot anyone using them without permission then I will bring to to attention. This has indeed already happened, and I made it clear to the person involved that I would like them to cease and desist.

It is almost inevitable that some people will try to appropriate and misuse the images at some point ( that's the 'young' nature of the Internet at this time ) but if I spot them then I will make the situation clear to them. I should imagine that Mike takes this subject just as seriously as I do, and is equally vigilant in enforcing copyright law on those who think they can do what they want.

This whole issue of what the Internet is about and what it is for seems to be confusing to many people. Ripping-off video clips and pictures is rife, and people seem to think that if they see something on the Internet then it is 'fair game' to pilfer / appropriate / rip-off what they want. They are very much mistaken. 'Free Use' internet content is usually quite clearly marked as such, but pretty much anything else is covered by Copyright at some point, I believe. The Gallery images and just about all other content of this site are NOT 'Free Use'.

Mr Camouflage, you may well still own the Copyright to the ORIGINAL versions of the images that you have uploaded to this site. However, the compressed / resized versions that you have uploaded are COVERED by the Copyright of this site once they are are part of the site. Quite how this affects YOU is something that you would have to take up with Mike, but as far as I am concerned when I upload my photos to the Gallery here I am happy that they are covered by the site Copyright and that all visitors / users of the site are allowed to VIEW them - as opposed to do what they like with them. I'm sure that Mike and the Moderators of the site respect this and take the Copyright of the site very seriously too.

Cheers,

Alan T.

[Gav240z]

I think the lesson to be learned is basically ask permission before using any images from the owner. However I do save a heap of pictures videos and other Z car related material to my hard drive and backup to another medium for my own personal use which I feel is harmless.

I think it's the use of the image for other purposes ie: make profit or to modify an image in such a way that it may even offend the original owner or stealing logo's etc.

[ZmeFly]

from another site. Not the site that is linked.

[Mr Camouflage]

If you dont want people to save the images to thier computer, why dont you just make it so the images cant be downloaded, only viewed.

That will stop most people from being able to save them to thier computer. Only people with a better knowldegde of browsers and Html will be able to breake the coding and download the pictures.

90% of people wont know how to do this and will only be able to view them.

Images can be resized and watermarked by a script on the server.

I'm not saying it ok to rip of pictures and use them on any site. Just because they are on a website doesnt mean the owner has consented to have them there in the first place, someone might have copied them from somewhere else and put them up, maybe even the owner of the website. So the point i was making is that you cant assume the website has copyright over the images just becaust they are on the site.

The copyright should say that the images belong to the members that uploaded them and that any unauthorised use of them is prohibited.

[HS30-H]

I don't know about anybody else, but I don't really mind people downloading and saving the pics that I upload here. That's fine by me, just so long as they don't go on to use them for any other purposes ( such as uploading them to another site etc ).

It would be up to Mike to make any changes to the software on this site that would make the images viewable but not downloadable.

I quite agree that there are pics on many other sites that have been uploaded from other sites without the original owner's consent. This is precisely what I want to stop happening with the images that I upload into the Gallery section here on this site. Its a case of breaking the chain, or not allowing a chain to start.

If we are not vigilant 'at source', then the battle is lost before it has even begun.

You comment that "......you cant assume the website has copyright over the images just because they are on the site." This is true - but you have to assume innocent until proven guilty, and most sites ARE ( like this one ) covered by Copyright - so if you see Copyright notices then you just don't rip. Easy as that.

Like I said before, if in in doubt - link. If you want to go further, ask. If you get wrong information or accidentally end up with images that have been ripped from elsewhere, then at least you tried and did it in good faith.

The best way, when all is said and done, is to use your OWN photos that you took yourself.

Everybody would ideally take responsibility for this themselves, but just like all rules and morals there are people who have quite different ideas.

[Alfadog]

It's quite strange... it seems the rules of the Real Worldâ„¢ don't apply on the Internet.

And one last thing.. that '510 with a huge hood scoop' is a GC10 Skyline... convertible! With some very perculiar mods...

LINK!