Posted February 21, 200223 yr comment_3306 This was posted to our mailing list by steve j daniels,Hey folks;I saw all of the talk about brake bleeding kits. Thespeed bleeders are pretty cool, I checked out theirweb site, and I think the idea is sound, but it'llcost you 31 dollars a car (seven dollars a bleeder and3 dollars shipping).I have a Mighty Vac, I thought that was pretty coolfor a while also. But if you ever used one, you knowthat sooner or later you'll run into the situationwhere you have to empty the reservoir and you end upspill brake fluid all over your hands...worse yet youpump brake fluid through the "pump head", and overtime brake fluid softens and swells the rubber hosesand "fittings". I ended up just using the reservoirand a rubber hose.Here's an inexpensive Do It Yourself brake bleedingKit.1. A 16 ounce plastic soft drink bottle and cap.2. A 2 to 3 foot length of rubber vacuum line or wind shield washer hose. It can be longer if you want.3. A length of 2x4, I use an aluminum baseball bat. I'll get to that explanation.Now, take your hose and the plastic soft drink cap,look at the hose and choose a drill bit size that willallow you to drill a hole in the cap that will give atight fit when you pass the hose through the cap. Youdon't want the hose to pull out of the cap easily.Next, drill another very small hole it the cap, thiswill be a "pressure relief" hole, a sixteenth of aninch is good.Screw the cap back onto the bottle and push the hosehome until it touches the bottom of the bottle.If your bleeder is working and free, put a box endwrench on the bleeder, then push the end of your hoseonto the bleeder. Crack open the bleeder a quarter tohalf a turn. Set the plastic bottle on the groundstanding straight up. Now you can start pumping thepedal, slowly please. "I like to pump out almost allof the old fluid first, our you can take an oldkitchen baster and suck out all of the old fluid firstand top up with new fluid to start with. But anywaythe idea is to get all new fluid throughout all of thebrake system.". The idea here is to pump in enough fluid into thebottle so that the end of the hose is submerged, youpump until no more air bubbles come out of the hoseend. Now this is where the length of 2x4, or baseballbat comes into play. Push the pedal all of the waydown to the floor and place/wedge the 2x4 between thepedal and the seat cushion. "I can't tell you how longthat is, I've never bothered to measure this, you'lljust have to figure that out for yourself." Now youcan close the bleeder screw. Don't forget to watch andtop up the reservoir, or else you'll pump air into thesystem and you'll have to start over.Brake fluid will attack the rubber hose that you useand you will loose the tight fit that you want, butthis is so inexpensive, you just replace the hose whenthat happens. Bleeding sequence.... convention has it that you startwith the bleeder farthest from the master cylinder andwork back. This is for Dual Circuit Systems. Somecars, not many, have Triangulated Systems, such asVolvos. Volvos have four disc brakes and eightbleeders screws, three on each front caliper, and oneon each rear caliper. In Volvos case you do need a"map", you have to follow a set sequence of bleedingor else you are just pounding sand.Eh, I know that was a lot of words to describe asimple operation, but what can I say, I don't have aneditor.Steve J. Daniels Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 28, 200222 yr comment_4704 I was shown a great do-it yourself method for bleeding the front calipers on an early Z. The problem with the pump/bleed method is that the calipers on early Z cars have two pistons with a single bleed screw on the inside of the caliper. It is difficult to fully get the air from the outside piston. Here's a foolproof method. Start with the right front caliper. Remove only the inner brake pad. Slowly pump the brake pedal one to two times. This will push the inner piston outward. Be careful not to go too far so the piston doesn't come out. Also, you will find it more difficult to push back in if it comes out more than about a 1/2" or so as it may **** sideways. This isn't fatal, but it makes it more difficult to get it straight and back in. Anyway, once the piston is out a bit, crack the bleeder valve (make sure to have a catch reservoir hooked up). Using a pair of groove joint pliers (monkey jaw as my Dad used to call them) slowly push the piston all the way in. Once it is in, close the bleeder. Repeat as necessary to remove all air bubbles. - usually takes no more than one or two times. Make sure to keep the fluid reservoir topped off. Once you as satisfied that all the air is out, put the brake pad back in and pump the pedal to seat the pad. Remove the outer pad and do the same thing. Repeat for the other caliper. This is very easy and as a racer, a guaranteed way to make sure there is no air left in the caliper. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-4704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 28, 200222 yr comment_4710 Of course the one thing a lot of people overlook is bleeding the master cylinder first. It will not only get rid of the old fluid out of the master cylinder easily, but if there is any air in the cylinder you will be bleeding at the calipers all day to remove any air that might have been trapped at the master cylinder. Sounds like a good idea for bleeding the front calipers. Guess I'll have to try it. Never thought much about having air trapped in the piston like that. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-4710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1, 200421 yr comment_62492 Sorry for bringing this back from the dead. But where are these bleeder valves? Just got my z(first project car) and it has no brake fluid in it, so I'm assuming I need to fill it with brake fluid and bleed the brakes. Also what brake fluid should I use? Thanks. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1, 200421 yr comment_62500 On the back of the wheel cylinders and calipers. Congrats on getting your Z! Next step is to purchase Repair Manuals. If you have the money a Factory Service Manual is the best one to get, tho it is not cheap (approx $75). IMHO the Haynes (brand) manual is the next best and can be had very cheaply (under $15). These manual will answer so many of the questions you will have before you even need to ask, and will guide you in repairing and improving the car for many years. Worth the're weight in gold! (well, almost anyway) Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1, 200421 yr comment_62503 Where do I get the factory service manuals? I searched but could only find cds. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 1, 200421 yr comment_62511 They show up on eBay occasionally, but I don't know where you can get them in NEW condition. You might check with Motorsport Auto in LA, CA www.zcarparts.com as I think they sometimes have used ones for sale. Another place to check is to email Andy Russell z@datsundude.com I think he can get them too.Good Luck! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2, 200421 yr comment_62571 I do not want to step on toes here Mike. But it seems like your describing leaveing the rear brake cylinder open while you pump fluid out of the brake master to fill the catch bottle enough to cover the end of the hose. The reason you want to cover the tip of the hose in the catch bottle is to help the fluid evacuate itself from the brake system. This should be accomplished be pouring some freash brake fluid in the bottom of said receptical. By pumping out old fluid through the lines you can suck air back in through the bleeder screw. The air then being brooken down into smaller bubbles every time the pedal is pumped. Traditionaly the method for bleeding brakes was to pump the pedal 3 or more times, then crack the line under preesure. In this day and age even on none ABS cars this has been found not to be the best way. Pump once smoothly hold, break line. Close wait a bit, repeat. The wait time is to allow the air bubbles to reconstitute themselves. Bigger bubbles air easier to get rid of. On the Z like you mentioned it is farthest first. Bleed the right rear, left rear, right front, left front. Getting rid off all the old fluid in the resevoirs first and then bleeding the master is great advice. If you want to flush the system or are cleaning the master Denatured alcohol (home depo) should be used. This also holds true for the Clutch system. :devious: Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 2, 200421 yr comment_62620 PUSHER,This may start a big debate but if you are doing street driving then Castrol GTX is fine. I would stay away from Silicone brake fluids. If you are going to be doing track events than I have heard many folks use Ford Heavy Duty Truck Brake fluid which is a none synthetic. I use Motul brake fluid, it is synthetic but not silicone so it can be mixed in or bled into systems that did not previously have synthetic brake fluid in them without concern. Motul is not typically sold in stores and can be ordered from places that carry race brake supplies or general racing suppies like http://www.summitracing.comHave fun! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
January 6, 200421 yr comment_62878 Hey, just wanted to say thanx, I used the 2x4 trick yesterday (actually I improvised and used a wedged an old sway bar against the seat moved all the way forward!) to bleed my clutch slave, worked great!!!! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/972-brake-bleeding-do-it-yourself/#findComment-62878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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