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Hi Ben, Yes that's correct - the LY was never actually offered already fitted to any prooduction car from the Factory. It was used on some of the 'Works' rally and circuit race cars, and in order to homologate these parts and use them legally they were obliged to offer them to Johji Public through their SPORTS OPTION parts lists in Japan. There are still a few knocking around in Japan, and there are two running LY's here in the UK that I know of.

2ManyZs, I wasn't answering your post. I was just pointing out that the first 6cyl DOHC Nissan engine available for sale to the general public was the S20. carguyinok's first post didn't ask specifically about the USA, and as ANYTHING can turn up ANYWHERE these days I thought it worth pointing out that the S20 was produced from 1968 and was even available fitted to a Z. Do you think there actually are any S20 engines in the USA? I've not heard of even ONE outside Japan apart from mine, and you would think that it would be the kind of thing that gets noticed and / or talked about. Has anybody ever seen or heard of one over there or anywhere else? There are lots of apocryphal stories and urban legends out there. I've had quite a few wild goose chases that turned up nothing. Some people over here were even mistaking 4cyl FJ20 engines for the S20 and LY:stupid: carguyinok, do you think the guy was spinning you a yarn about it being his Grandmother's car? It might be that he knew EXACTLY what it was, but was being a bit coy about it. Possibly a case of him playing his cards close to his chest and not letting on about his "Q Car"? :classic:

Pic of them on the car:

FOR SALE One set of four R.S. WATANABE 8-spoke "Type B". Size 6.5j x 14 inch. 114.3 PCD. Good condition - but need stripping and repainting ( or polishing ). Nice wheels for a 'period' look. I had these on my old red '73, which you can see amongst my Gallery pics. £450 or very near offer. Can ship anywhere in the world at buyer's expense. Please note that these wheels are located in London, England, UK. Pic here:

"Bike-pusher's" articles in Classic & Motorcycle Mechanics magazine are very funny too. Ebay needs a bit of this every now and then, I reckon. I've had some bad experiences with it recently. Its not just the bidders though; I've had some run-ins with some pretty stupid vendors too.:tapemouth

Discussed in this thread earlier today:ebay poster

"Cursive Toshibas" is a nice expression. I've never heard of that. Its a nice font isn't it? The Stanley font was nice too. So you had Koitos as well as Toshibas in USA? Was there any cut-off or delineation between the two brands as to what came on what year / month? As far as I know, the Japanese market cars seemed to be pretty much mixed ( but always in pairs! ). Probably another case of Nissan using different sources for a fairly standard product? The headlamps in the UK-market cars had a bad reputation from the very beginning. Some of the original magazine road tests pointed them out as a little inadequate.

Ah, right. Now I see why it looked to me as though you had ignored my comments and were trying to stir it up. One misunderstanding on top of another. As one of the very few English members of this site who contribute fairly regularly, I can tell you that it makes me feel very self-conscious. I do try to take cultural differences into account when I post here. The fact that we have a fairly wide cross-section of nationalities on here - and therefore lots of cultural differences - makes it seem to me that its a good thing to watch what we say and how we say it. I wish I could go back and start this whole bloody thread over again on the right foot. Alan T.

Ozlime240z, If you have any problem with me, just PM me. I think I said that I'd been straightened out as to the intention of most of the comments, and I thanked the people that PM'd me to straighten me out. Maybe that did not come across in the above posts ( at least not to you? ). Seems to me that you are just having a bit of a stir ( ? ). Did you actually read the post I made above, or did I not explain myself properly?

Thats a ****ing big spoon you've got there boy.

There WAS a 24-valve DOHC 6 available in the S30-series bodyshell. It was first fitted to the PGC10 Skyline GT-R in 1968, and was available in the PS30 Fairlady Z 432 from 1969. It was called the "S20".............

Oh yeah? How?

And here's the pair of pedals photographed together. They are part-stripped of their black Factory paint at the moment. The Brake pedal had been attacked by brake fluid some time in the past, so I'm taking them both back to bare metal and will refinish them. I think you can see that they are indeed stamped out of flat sheet steel, as there seems to be no finishing to the surface at all:

May I take this opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to the kind people who PM'd me about this thread and the way I was feeling about it? I was very dismayed to think that anyone would believe that this was some kind of trick or joke, and for a good while I was quite upset. However, The PM's were very encouraging and I'm very pleased and honoured that people are taking the time to look into this. Some points I should make: *I had no idea that any cars would have NO number on at least one of their pedals. I have never seen a pedal without SOME form of stamping or other identification mark on it. You learn something new about these cars every day............. *I was calling these numbers "dates" for a reason; It has been suggested to me that the four-digit stamps on my pedals indicated the month and the day of manufacture, and that the year was not marked as it was not necessary on a component that would not be hanging around for more than a year. HOWEVER - I did not think that this was completely true, as I have seen some pedals ( admittedly RHD ) that had letters as well as numbers on them. I have also seen numbers higher than 31 in pairs - which would surely nix the theory that it meant either a day or month. *I wanted to try to get to the bottom of it by seeing what other cars had. The "0907" and "0911" numbers I posted photos of are from my project car - which is a Japanese home-market "Fairlady Z-L" ( S30 ) made in 1970. My other car - also Japanese home-market - has some letters as well as numbers on the pedals ( that car has a late 1971 build date ). *I know that RHD and LHD pedal shapes are quite different, but I was expecting ( hoping! ) that a clearer picture might emerge that showed a pattern or method to the numberings. I'm none the wiser! There is of course a greater thickness to the pedal stem on the BRAKE pedals in comparison to the CLUTCH pedals. That's natural when you consider the duty of each pedal. However, I believe that they are both stamped or punched out of steel stock rather than one of them being cast - as somebody suggested. Here's a close-up of my Brake pedal stem in profile. You can see that it has probably been punched out with a die ( ? ):

ps Did you know that some S30-series cars left the Factory with Toshiba and Stanley brand headlamp units, as well as Koito? Did you only get Koito in the USA? Alan T.

Hi daddz, They are still available in Japan, even in the otherwise-useless "Autobacs" and "Helloes" stores. Just the lamp unit itself that is, not the headlamp bowl / surround. However, I'm fairly sure that the lenses are all configured for RHD. Surely that's no good for you in the USA? The beams will be pointing in the wrong direction................ I'm pretty sure that Kats would have had to install RHD-configured lamp units in his car so that it would pass its 'Shakken', and be used legally in Japan. Alan T. ( Here's one that I bought a while back. Disregard the bowl and surround - which is from Nissan ):

Hi Mike, This is very interesting and its very heartening to hear these questions from others who are ( like me ) interested in the little graffitoes and 'ken' marks that can be found on our cars. I can read some Japanese, and this is one of the characters that I have seen before on the underside of the dash. You have got it the correct way up in your photo ( which is not always immediately apparent! ) and I can tell you that the way it is written, this Kanji says "kawa". That's a word that is often interpreted to mean 'skin' or 'hide', and in fact "kawa" is MOST often used in reference to 'leather'. Now, "kawa" can mean several different things depending on its context ( like most of the 5000-odd Japanese Kanji characters ) but I would guess that in THIS contex it might be best to read it NOT in the 'leather' translation - but in the 'skin' or possibly 'covering' sense................. Why would it say this? Well - the messages and graffitoes that you see on some parts of the Z are often little inter-departmental notes, or 'shouts' if you like. They can bring attention to the assembly or sub-assembly workers to watch out for a particular problem or change in spec amongst a batch of cars or parts. I have also seen little messages that can be translated as what you might call Friday-afternoon banter between workers - just meant to raise a smile and while away the hours........... So what does it actually MEAN? Well, again this is a half-educated guess, but I think it might well signify a fault or problem with the covering of the dash pad that was sent to be rectified or redone. That's the only thing that comes to mind, and the main thing that swings it for me is that Nissan often referred to their embossed-texture vinyl interior pieces as "leather" ( even though it was NOT real leather! ). I think its just a colloquialism really. Therefore, I would guess that a fault might have been spotted that needed to be rectified ( presumably it WAS rectified ). Seeing as there was only ONE finish on our dash pads, I would have a hard time imagining it signified a different finish or material for this dash pad. Of course I could well be wrong, so please don't take this as gospel. Just my thoughts on the subject after seeing a fair few similar notes and messages on the cars from many markets. You might like to send a PM to Kats to ask him to look at this thread and give his opinion. Best regards, Alan T.

Michael - thanks very much indeed for that. Its much appreciated. However, it was not your posts that upset me - it was a few of the others. If they were posted in fun then the sentiment went right over MY head. All I'm getting is bad vibes and I'm not liking it. I'm wondering what people expect to get for nothing....... Alan T.

Just for the record part 2: I'm seriously offended at some of the comments that have been made on this thread. A couple of people that have made them are people that I thought better of, too. My original intention was to create a thread that gathered a bit of data on pedal stampings. I've been looking at pedal stampings for some time ( along with other 'dated' and identified items on these cars ) as I've always been fascinated by the array of outsourced component manufacturing companies, and the divisions within Nissan that produced the parts that were put together to make the cars. The stampings on the pedals are not very easy to decipher and it has fascinated me for some time as to what they actually signified. Maybe that's a bit too dry a discussion on its own, so I tried to create a thread with a little 'bait' in the form of a prize. I will still honour this promise IF anybody actually has identical stampings on BOTH pedals in their car. In hindsight ( after being accused of being a scammer and other sideways remarks ) maybe I should have just asked the question and not tried to 'motivate' people by offering them anything as an incentive except interest itself. I'm seriously pissed off to be accused of creating a "scam". I'm not very much enlightened about pedal stampings but I AM a bit more enlightened about some of the members of this site now. Alan T.

Great, now I'm being branded a scam artist:finger: Alan T. Just for the record, here's my other pedal:

shushhhhhhhh!

26th-Z, if its the same on both pedals then you have won already and we don't get any interesting letters and numbers from anybody else ( you spoilsport ). Automatics don't count. Sorry about that Enrique. I actually forgot all about the slush-boxers..............

Hi bill, That's not 907 AD - that's day and month.:cheeky: No year was stamped ( I shouldn't think they were expecting to have 'stock' that was over a year old.......). Alan T.

Hi 26th-Z, I think that you will find both Aston Martin and Morgan have been selling officially "Factory refurbished" cars for some years now. These cars really DO go back to the factory that they were originally made in. However, they keep it all a bit hush hush and don't make a big PR event out of it - which would explain why not that many people know about it. Having been to the original Aston Martin & Tickford factory in Newport Pagnell and the Morgan factory in Malvern, I can tell you that the very nature of these cars enables the factories to re-make and refurbish them with much greater ease than they would had they been trying the same thing with a late-Sixties / early-Seventies mass-produced 'budget' automobile such as the S30-series Z. In many ways its harder to restore a Z than a virtually hand-made car like the Astons and Morgans. Alan T.