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But here's an example of the problems you are causing yourself. You cite '260Z', but what does that mean? You need to - at the very least - include the chassis prefix. In the North American market that means 'RLS30' (2-seater) and 'GRLS30' (2+2) 'Datsun 260Z' variants. And according to the fiches (you need to look at the fiches...) the North American market 'RLS30' started out with an R180 and the North American market 'GRLS30' started out with an R200. FYI: Japanese market never got an R200 in the S30-series.

You're casting your nets for fish, but catching too many rusty discarded shopping trolleys. Look at that "All 240Z, 260Z and 280Z cars sold in North America had HLS30….. as the beginning of the VIN number, not RS30." as an example. The North American market sequence was HLS30, RLS30 and then HLS30 again. If 'corrections' like that are being submitted as fact then what chance does any attempt at a definitive "1 page" list have? The intention is noble, but... And is the thread already on its third (or more?) title change? It now reads "Datsun Z and ZX types of transmissions and differentials", which - I don't know why this does doesn't seem to sink in - precludes the Japanese market models, which were Nissan made and Nissan branded.

Why? As has been pointed out on this forum for many years, the Japanese market models received the widest choice of S30 (and S130-series) model variants with transmissions to suit. F4W71-A, FS5C71-A, F4W71-B, FS5C71-B, 3N71-A, 3N71-B were all offered. If a marque and series-dedicated forum cannot collectively get its head round that fact after the best part of 20 years of existence then something must be wrong, right?

F5C71-B was Direct-Drive ('Dogleg' shift pattern) 5-speed competition 'box, but there was no Warner synchro version, hence no F5W71-B.

Aha! So THAT'S what they were doing in Area 54... Prefix for the USA/Canada Datsun 260Z model was 'RLS30'. Check your factory documentation. Threads like these start out with the best of intentions, but soon become self-defeating messes.

This has been discussed here previously. The car was in Japan, and was never shipped to the USA.

A piece of advice for you. Straight ball. No spin: In this ether, coming across people you simply don't like is inevitable. Painting such people as 'Trolls' just because you don't like the cut of their jib is (and for heaven's sake don't take this as being - heaven forfend - "inflammatory".... ) unwise. Unwise. Get it?

Give your head a wobble you utter spoon.

No. Point of order: I suggested that the the practice of throwing the term 'Troll' around inappropriately was lazy. That's an opinion. So you throw the term 'Troll' back at me in response, as though it is now set in stone that I am a 'Troll'? Here's an example of such laziness on the forum. Yesterday. You think this is an appropriate response?

^So this is 'Trolling', apparently. *sigh*

You don't seem to have addressed the possibility that the cannon fodder might be just as much of a 'problem', or at least the yang to another's ying. So you answer what I thought (even hoped...) was a pragmatic and even-handed post with negativity, and posit that I am - myself - 'trolling'? Way to go, champ. The future looks bright, doesn't it? FFS.

Calling someone out as a "troll" on an internet forum is a lazy, throwaway line and is often totally unjustified. Better to save it for people who are really trolling. Anybody here remember our old friend 'Burt'? Tony simply doesn't suffer fools gladly. Most internet communities are all the better for having someone like that around, and he usually knows what he's talking about, has been there and has bought the t-shirt to boot. Many of the people who have a 'negative experience' when interacting with him are not exactly paragons of virtue themselves. The occasional sighting of that dying art called passionate debate is - in my opinion - a good thing on an internet forum. Along with the noise and heat comes a little light, and - with open minds - we can all learn something new.

Its an S30-prefixed model. Its not a factory designation, but can you *imagine* what it means? If not, you may well be confused by people referring to their 'L29', 'L30' and 'L31' engines.

No, in fact my scans are from two original sources: The 'Competition Tune-Up Manual' for the A10-series, and the 'Competition Tune-Up Manual' for the N10-series. The Sumitomo MK63 type brake calipers were used as Sports/Race Option on many Nissan models, so the information is duplicated in many source documents including - as you pointed to - the BS110 '240RS'.

Keiichi Tsuchiya drives the Spirit Garage S30 race car around the Sugo Circuit for a Best Motoring special, and comes away impressed:

Above: Charles Barter, competing in the Historic Sports Car Club's '70'S RoadSports' class with his 240Z, where modifications are fairly minimal (stock carburettors, no LSD, stock brake calipers). He's a good driver. Below: Julian Barter (Charles' son) chases his father's 240Z in his Lotus Elan S4.

Got a link? Wind me up and point me in the right direction. Will you be participating? I want to see you making the same silly claims you're making here (you know, all that "putting it to some P cars, as it should be" and 'proving the potential of the Z' [by putting an LS V8 in it...] type stuff)? I do hope so. For the rekud, I'm not in any way a 'Porsche snob'. Unless you mean my natural respect for a manufacturer which has competition in its very lifeblood, and which won (for example) the International Cup For GT Cars in 1968, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 & 1976 (mainly with variants of the 911 platform) and (for example) the International Championship For Makes in 1969, 70, 71, 76, 77, 78 & 1979. You may have noticed their success in long distance sportscar racing as well as rallying and engine supply to a notable F1 team which was originally founded by a New Zealander (Mac-something...). I was present at Le Mans in 1970 when Porsche took an outright win there for the first time, and - I freely admit - it has affected me. When I see a Porsche sports car it reminds me of that. Maybe your vision is different? My hunch is that you are reacting to an image created by certain sectors of ownership, but we could say that about almost any car brand couldn't we? Do you know how much work it takes to become a (an...) ignorant poseur whose ego depends on putting others down? It's a full time job, I can tell you. It has taken me years of practice to get this good at it, and staying on top of it requires vigilance and dedication. It also requires a daily diet of dimwits who are willing to sacrifice themselves on the altar of my art, much like the supply of dead mice to feed a pet reptile. Thank you for your help with that. 🙂

Probably should include the seat mount crossmembers in the list of blacked-out items over body colour. Here's an example of factory black-out on the inside of a quarter panel vent:

Which is all well and good, but I would not advise anyone to use photos of a pre-production test chassis as reference for how the cars came off the production line en masse... OP: The advice of *everything painted body colour* is good, but somewhere along the assembly line a guy was assigned to put his head into the front end of the car and - equipped with a pot of satin black paint and a suitable brush - his job was to 'black out' two thirds of the front half of the radiator support panel so that it was a little less visible through the front grille. He and his friends also walked around the car blacking out body colour anywhere it was deemed unwanted, like around the insides of the door apertures and where it could be seen through trim gaps and behind grilles and vents. Being hand-applied, there was inevitably some variation at play on a case-by-case basis with this 'blacking out'.

....'his' pictures? There's irony for you.

So, note to members, prospective members, casual browsers and those doing research for further writing on the subject: Contrary to expectations, Classiczcars.com is not the place where the truth about Nissan's S30-series Z is going to be discussed, let alone curated and passed on into new hands. And now back to our usual programming...

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How about a little bit of level-headed critique and fact checking?

Fnarrrr. Give your head a wobble mate. You're apparently promoting a completely drivetrain-swapped hotrod (which is alright by me on its own terms) as some sort of example of 'the potential of the Z car'. The 'sticking it to the Porsches' stuff is pure pathos. Porsche is a specialist sports car manufacturer with a rich history in racing. Look up their history as a manufacturer entrant in the International Championship for Makes and the International Cup for GT cars during - lets say - the 1969 through 1980 period. Maybe you should put your mate's hotrod in a time machine so you can show them what's what. I'm not anti Z, I'm anti bull****.

Here are some links to in-car videos of real racing in old cars, just in case you've never seen that kind of thing before: