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"And based on that experience, it does not matter much whether originality and adherence to strict guidlines are followed due to "the people's choice" awards." I have seen many posts on this site and others regarding People's Choice judging. Randy to your point above People's Choice really does not have anything to do with which car is most correct especially in Stock Classes. It all comes down to just a couple of things that influence the results. One is Chris' point regarding who has the most friends or who can stuff the box the most. The other, which is geneally what happens, is the presentation of the car. It may come down to which color the crowd likes, which car has the best shine. It is the "crowd favorite"! I have shown my car in various events and I have sometimes never gotten a look with the steel wheels and hubcaps (which would most correct for stock) but with the period correct polished slotted wheels it may get all kinds of attention. So why would just a change of wheels have any impact? The engine compartment did not change or the interior. I have also seen similiar occurances happen in non ZCCA events where a judge picks a car in the class that is obviously not the best. If you are going to show your car you have to be prepared for all kinds of surprises and disappointments. Just one person's opinion.

Fred, Great Job!! I struggled last year when I moved over several different do it your self floors. One of the things I thought about most was the prep. I had used the epoxy floor coating from Home Depot in the past but it did crack and peel from hot tires and running the jack over it. So I used the Premier Garage system on the floor when I moved. Since several previous posts have discussed various floors I am posting a few pics of the before and after. The cabinets that I used are unfinished kitchen units from Lowe's. Based on your before and after pics I know you are really pleased about the outcome. Give some details on how it does. Again, great job and a job well done. Bob

Count me in for two cars. It should be a great event!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Z you there

Dan is correct the drain plug does use a copper washer. I think this is the part number 11026-61000. It should be noted new Nissan's have a smaller diameter drain plug so one size does not fit all. I have also heard of people using a plastic washer.

It sounds like several people are requesting a "Survivor" class for their untouched, unrestored but complete Z. Many shows have a class like that so the public and car owners can appreciate a car that has been through it all and remains intact. Just a thought. In regards to Kat's comments regarding a "truly stock" class where electrical components are checked and the engine run. Some of the Concours events have that process in place when they judge a car. The do check all of the lights, wiper operation, horn etc and start the engine. They do not check HP or performance vs the baseline for that vehicle. The ZCCA could incorporate the basics of this concept if they so desired. I think this goes back to someone's comments though about checking glove box lights!!

For your 72 it sounds like you have the right configuration. The trans tunnel should have the quilted vinyl you mentioned and the carpet set is made up of two single pieces on the floorboards and a smaller carpet behind the seat. The rear wheel wells, shock towers and leading edge of the rear deck should also be the quilted vinyl and not carpet. I hope this helps. Good luck on the project.

gnose wrote "There are already places where "collector" 240Zs can go to exhibit their cars and a ZCCA convention or sponosred event isn't one of them. " If not the ZCCA show then where should they be displayed? If it is felt that a truly restored 240Z should be in a Concours event other than the ZCCA Convention then you might want to review just how many Concours events have a class the Z can enter. Does Amelia Island, Pebble Beach, Los Angeles etc have a class they can enter? In just the past couple of years the list that either have a specific class or a generic one is starting to grow. Maybe not as fast as we would like but some progress is being made. I truly feel the ZCCA needs to be the premier show. After all Corvettes, Mustangs, Jags etc do have national shows that concours judging is the key event. So why not the ZCCA? I agree with many who feel the 240Z is finally starting to be recognized in both value and for it contribution to automotive history. Carl made a good point about MG's. I once dated a girl who had a 1954 TD that was her daily driver. I wonder what ever happened to it? I would guess it has had the full restoration treatment it desired. I have also attended many shows of all types that have a wide spectrum of judging criteria, vehicle knowledge and appreciation for makes of vehicles. Some turn their noses up to a Japanese car while others welcome them with open arms. As an owner of a car being shown, we would all like to think the judge or judges have full knowledge of your car make and model but reality is they do not. That holds true for the ZCCA. The reason is you have to rely on the people to volunteer to judge and help out. So they do not always know everything about each model. Some organizations, the NCRS (National Corvette Restorers Society) for one, do have a judging manual that is very indepth regarding what is or is not correct. The manual takes away alot of the guess work and alot of the subjectivity. Would the ZCCA benefit from something like that sure! If someone wanted to know what points are deducted, what specific areas that are being judged would be very helpful. Judges are creatures of habit. Meaning some focus on certain areas that they have either learned about or are pet peeves over time as their focal point. In this tread some of those areas have been identified. But again someone has to volunteer to take on the huge task of doing the research and assembling the manuals. So in the mean time I encourage all of the daily drivers, concours quality and resto-mod Z's sign up for the shows in your area as well as the ZCCA events. The more exposure the Z gets the better chance that a 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX at some point in time will also rise in value and collectibility. As Nissan once advertised- 'Enjoy the ride"!