MSA is alright but basically another "park your arse in the grass" deal. Maybe dime owners are different but there seems to much more willingness to get involved in driving. There were 44 510s at the Mitty in GA last weekend "driven" from Canada, Kansas, Ohio, New Hampshire, Texas, Florida and all points in between. And they'll autocross once they get there and drive home. Out in the hills around Ventura there are some great roads to drive spiritedly and I'd think that should be an easy sell...... We at Datsuns Northwest have several spirited driving events each year. We also host the autocross in conjunction with CANBY. Northwest Z on the other hand does winery tours and the like...... Just pick your poison. Again, getting those interested people together will answer which camp y'all will be in......