Everything posted by LeonV
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Now that's a brake upgrade!
The thing I'd worry about with an Al caliper is deformation, especially with a large brake load applied at high temperatures. The dimensions of something like a Z-car Sumitomo caliper are based on the properties of steel. Was there any structural analysis done on the Al calipers? Any strenuous track testing?
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Understanding L-Engine Exhaust
I've got dyno evidence and analysis in the exhaust thread linked earlier. The dual pipes didn't perform as well as the single BUT I changed the exhaust manifold when I went to duals so it's not exactly apples-to-apples. I plan to do a single down the road and test it against the duals, keeping the manifold constant. I suppose I could also re-install the stock manifold and mate it to the current pipes...
- Understanding L-Engine Exhaust
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Now that's a brake upgrade!
Setting your brakes in the wet will get the proportioning right but only for wet conditions! In order to "set and forget" brake proportioning, it must be set in the highest grip scenario. Setting your brake distribution in the wet will cause the rears to lock-up prematurely in the dry. That is a dangerous setup. The physics behind it have to do with decreased weight transfer in lower-grip situations. Less weight transfer means more weight on the rear axle, thus you need more rear bias in the wet. This extra rear bias then locks up the rears early in dry situations where there is more weight transfer to the front axle, leaving less weight on the rear.
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Understanding L-Engine Exhaust
Agreed. Performance-wise, #3 has an edge (weight & packaging) but #1 should work just as well. #2 is more restrictive and you will lose power (and torque) compared to the bigger pipes. You can find an extensive exhaust discussion here, with both theoretical and empirical data: Exhaust Thread That thread pertains not only to the L-series, but to most any other 2- and 4-stroke engine.
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Really bouncy ride
A "bouncy" ride means you are very underdamped. However, I think you'll find that the Tokicos are a lot stiffer but definitely not bouncy when combined with Eibachs.
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Preparation for long trips
BTW, stop by when you're in town!
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Preparation for long trips
My most important trip item is the AAA card! I also carry a spare alt/water pump belt in the glove box and I've noticed my slave cylinder has a tendency of going out (stupid, cheap Napa SC). I make sure to have basic tools on hand, like wrenches, screwdrivers, shears and maybe a socket set. Oil, water, spare parts, etc. are good to have just in case, but a cell phone and roadside service will put me at ease. Oh, and don't forget duct tape.
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60 mm throttle body on a 280z
It will not improve performance. Read Braap's EFI guide on HybridZ.
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Making a Wooden Shift Knob
Wow, that's a cool idea!
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Tuning 40 DCOE Weber 151 on an L24
Nice, Rob! Keep us updated.
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Key differences between the American and European 260z
DING-DING-DING!!! Precisely! We're getting a bit off topic here, but I will say that late 240Zs had side impact beams as well and I can easily tell the difference between the two (late/early 240Z). I haven't had a 260Z-specific door to look at, but I'd suspect the differences between a late-240Z door and 260Z door to be minimal. Also, I haven't noticed any signs of a "reinforced sub-frame" when compared to my 2/71. Maybe I need to look more carefully, but I've s no signs of extra metal. Right, but I covered both in my previous post for the sake of completeness. My apologies for the misquote. In the beginning, you mention not taking the magazine articles as scientific evidence. These magazines, especially back in the '70s, do not and did not account for varying conditions at the times of their tests. Who knows the circumstances between the '70 240Z "road test" and a '74 260Z one. Elevation, temperature, tires, road surface, driver, timing equipment, etc. all totally affect performance figures. You can even compare contemporary road tests in current publications and see the variance that different articles have on things like 0-60 times. The much more scientific approach would be to take a stock 240Z and stock 260Z, run them back-to-back on the same dyno and compare results. This would give much more insight into this myth, than a 40-year-old magazine article. Anyone up for it?
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Key differences between the American and European 260z
Carl, This is exactly what I was talking about, people quoting MEDIA figures as scientific evidence. Also, we're not talking Porsches, or Chevys, or anything else besides Z-cars. Can you explain why my US-market 260Z, and all others I've seen, say "162hp" on the engine plate? I also doubt my early 260Z weighs that much much more than a 240Z. The only real differences between the two are more heavy duty bumpers, bumper shocks, some extra wires and a rear ARB. I've yet to weigh those parts to see what they add but I can to it today, plus I've got early 240Z bumpers to compare with. The 260Z definitely weighs more than an earlier 240Z, but as you saw, it won't make a huge difference in performance. I completely disagree that "emissions equipment" took off 26hp. What emissions equipment are we talking about here? EGR only affects part-throttle performance (and actually makes it better). The AIR system was shared with 240Zs. EVAP equipment has no effect on performance. PCV is on all Z's. Throttle opener solenoids are on both models and don't affect power. So, we see that the ancillary emissions equipment has nothing to do with it. How about engine changes? Engine displacement increased by 0.2L in the 260Z. Compression ratio might have dropped a tiny bit compared to the E31 headed 240Zs, but it's the same as later 240Zs (which were rated at 151hp) at 8.8:1. Speaking of carbs, the funny thing is that the flat-tops "allow more adjustability for air/fuel ratio's (sic)," as you put it. Flat tops have separate idle and WOT circuits, unlike the round-tops. Spark timing curves did change. The 240Z had 17deg initial timing and 12deg of centrifugal advance for 29deg of total timing at WOT. The 260Z had 7deg of initial timing but a whopping 26deg of centrifugal advance, making for 33deg total at WOT. Thus, the 260Z had a more aggressive timing profile! The 260Z cam is more aggressive because of an increase in displacement. The cam did not detract from performance. The 260Z intake is said to flow and distribute the mixture better than the 240Z manifolds. I have not tested this. However, both the 260Z cam and intake are sought after by guys wanting to use stock parts to make their 240Z perform better. Do you see anything I don't see in terms of losing 26hp? I sure as heck don't! As far as I'm concerned and been able to determine, the US 260Z had 11 more horsepower than the 240Z. References: 1972 240Z FSM 1974 260Z FSM
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I'm Bringing Back Tha Twin Stacks ^_^ !
Thanks for the mention, Blue! Mine are two stacked 12" glasspacks coming off of two separate pipes from the header. I planned out the exhaust system and had my exhaust guy weld it up and install it. The Y-junction that Blue shows would work for finishing a single-pipe system with two tips. No need for fancy "twin-stacks"!
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Key differences between the American and European 260z
Of course, however, the 260Z carries a certain mysterious stigma, at least in the US. Hence why I said "appreciable" differences. I'm sure there were minor spark timing curve alterations, slight differences in compression, etc. People get caught up with "emissions" equipment, but as is usually the case, that equipment does little to nothing to hurt power (and sometimes helps, i.e. EGR). Sure give or take a few hp, but I'd surmise that there isn't a seat-of-the-pants difference in driving the two. Point being, the difference between the two isn't anywhere near 26hp! I also greatly enjoy the irony of people lambasting the US 260Z, yet the 260Z cam and intake are widely renowned as the hi-po factory stuff!
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New to Germany, would like to import my 240z from America. Specifics needed.
Make sure that all fasteners are to German torque-specs: gutentite.
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Key differences between the American and European 260z
There are no appreciable power differences! Yes, it's the difference between SAE gross and net. Whatever book you referenced is right, all of them had the same power output, does it matter at this point what the rated BHP is? There is no lost power to make up for. The L26 has more displacement than the L24, and thus has more power than the L24. There are SO many misconceptions about the 260Z, many perpetuated by media (i.e. magazines, etc.) or a misunderstanding by the reader of what the media was saying. I LOVE that the 260Z is viewed as "weak and undesirable"! That means I can find them cheaper even though I consider them to be a better car (carbs can be easily swapped out although I wish there was a parts market for flat tops). They're a fun and quirky car to own since it was a 1-year-only model in the US and it's fun to figure out all the 260Z-specific aspects. Shhh, don't tell anyone!
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Key differences between the American and European 260z
There is no 139hp and 165hp motor, I bet you're comparing power tested under different rating systems (SAE net, gross, etc.). I'd imagine the performance differences being very slim.
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Overheating
A fan shroud does not fix cooling issues...
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Tuning 40 DCOE Weber 151 on an L24
Phil, I just ran my L24 today with 120 mains (40DCOE with 30mm choke). Saw about 12:1 on AFR meter when I was looking. It was fairly cold out though, so it will be richer in warmer temps. I may go with 115s but it runs so well, I'm not in a hurry. I'd imagine at 7-8AFR, that 510 would be billowing black smoke out the exhaust pipe.
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Tuning 40 DCOE Weber 151 on an L24
Lucky bastard... We finally dipped under $4/gal recently.
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Synthetic Oil Change Interval
Agreed. I use Mobile 1 synthetic with no worries. I've been using it for 2 years now. I change it once a year as the Z doesn't see too many miles, maybe 5k/year.
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260z to 240z flat top to round top su conversion
Sounds like either a vacuum leak (likely), or timing is way out (possible).
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Tuning 40 DCOE Weber 151 on an L24
I should be ok. The stoichiometric point of E10 is around 14.1:1 but the AFR meter normalizes what it measures to the stoich point of pure gasoline (14.7:1) since it calculates based on lambda (measured AFR = pure gas AFR * lambda). If I can lean it out a bit more, I'll be happy, and so will my wallet!
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Making a Wooden Shift Knob
That looks awesome Captain, nice job!