Everything posted by FastWoman
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EGR question
The EGR results in cooler combustion gasses, which I think lowers NOX emissions (??). A properly functioning EGR does seem to improve running in some engines. I know this from having repaired a couple of engines blocked EGR ports (and effectively no EGR). That said, EGR is a relatively recent system ('70's?), and engines ran pretty well before its development. I don't think it's that critical. If restoring a car to run as well as possible during ordinary driving conditions, I'd use the EGR. If restoring a car either to look good under the hood or to race, I probably would ditch the EGR. I'd also keep the original engine in the car if possible, as matching serial numbers are important for the value of these cars.
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noob valve adjusting on 1978 280z
The rocker cover has to be installed to do my yogurt cup test. When you do this test, you'll be testing for tightness EVERYWHERE. This will include rocker cover, oil pan, oil filler cap, dipstick, intake manifold gasket, several closed intake valves, the piston rings and exhaust valves on the other side of one or two open intake valves, etc. The test won't pinpoint where you have a leak, but it will certainly confirm whether you have a leak that you need to track down. Cold valve lash measurements aren't as reliable as hot measurements. Having said that, I suppose your exhaust gaps look a bit loose and intake gaps OK. Still needs adjusting, but nothing too far out of the ordinary. I wouldn't expect much improvement in the running condition of your engine from the adjustments. Your engine might run a tiny bit quieter -- less ticking. I doubt you'll gain much, if any, engine vacuum.
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Turbo AFM on '75 280Z (3.1L)
Rob, cegrover, I think the FP switch is present on '75 and '76 AFMs. I'm not sure about the '77. My '78 has a switch but doesn't connect to it. It might not be the original AFM. I also have an AFM from a N/A '81 ZX, and it doesn't have the switch at all. It is substantially similar in operation to the '78 and will work on a '78.
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noob valve adjusting on 1978 280z
Well, your intake valves look a bit tight -- should be gapped to .010. The exhaust should be gapped to .012. Although the valves need a bit of adjustment, I don't see anything alarmingly out of align that would screw up your compression. You shouldn't assume that low intake vacuum indicates a leak. Remember that your biggest vacuum leak is the throttle body, and it's supposed to be there. Engine vacuum is a reflection of the running efficiency of the engine. You can test your HVAC vacuum tubing for leaks simply by removing the supply tube from the intake manifold (near the brake booster vacuum line) and sucking on it. You'll be able to feel whether it's tight. If you want to disconnect it for testing purposes, just leave the tube off, find a small piece of tubing the same size, put it on the nipple, and then plug the other end of the nipple with something like a golf tee. Did you do the yogurt cup test yet?
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Turbo AFM on '75 280Z (3.1L)
I don't think you can mix and match AFMs. I would think a ZX turbo AFM would have to be used with a ZX turbo ECU, injectors, fuel pump, and fuel pressure regulator (and possibly other components). A NA AFM would need to be run with NA components. I could easily be wrong, but I don't think the fact that your engine is a stroker would impact how these systems meter air and deliver fuel. If the NA system is not sufficiently large to deliver enough air to your engine, then go to the turbo setup, but use all turbo components. (Although ironically the turbocharger might not be needed.)
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Help! Replaced fuel pump and filters and can't keep it running.
Hey Chad, I know the '78 has a large intake screen in the tank, probably about the size of a small coffee can lid. I don't know about the '76. If you didn't see tons of debris in your tank and didn't try coating the tank with epoxy, the screen should be fine. Some people acid wash the tank and then coat it with epoxy. (Because the acid wash would eat out the screen, there's probably nothing left to clog with the epoxy.) I suspect the coolant temp sensor is a more likely cause for your problems. Keep in mind it might not be the sensor, but rather the connector it's plugged into. This connector sits at the front of the engine and gets REALLY dirty, crusty and brittle. If you were to unplug the sensor, your engine would be choking in fuel and blowing black smoke, if running at all. BTW, 280, teflon on the EFI's coolant temp sensor wouldn't affect functioning, as it doesn't use the body as a ground. However, the temp sensor that feeds the instrument panel (that has a 1-wire connector), does use the body for ground, so I suppose teflon tape would be a bad idea (although electrical contact would probably be made anyway, depite the tape).
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280z Fuel pump issues
I'm totally lost in this thread, but I can help you with the vacuum hoses. These control your heating/AC system. 1 supplies vacuum to the system, running to the check valve, magnetic vacuum switches and vacuum reservoir on the opposite side of the engine compartment. Those feed a like that goes through the firewall to supply the mode control vacuum switch (off/vent/ac/heat/def/etc). They also feed a line that comes back to #2, which pulls up the idle when the AC compressor is running.
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A few Questions about AFM
Argneist, I'm wondering whether your #6 injector is injecting. You might have a bad connection. #'s 1-3 look lean. #'s 4 and 5 look really rich. I'm also wondering whether you have connectivity issues with your injectors or drop resistors. And of course you might have significant valve adjustment issues. Perhaps Cylinders 1-3 are drawing a lot more air than cylinders 4 and 5. (All cylinders supposedly get the same amount of fuel, assuming the injectors fire.) What are your compression numbers, again???
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Valve Adjusting
Here's a pretty good annotated slide show... http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1803105&uid=786489
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280Z has issues staying running
Be sure to pick up a set of insulators and O-rings for your injectors!
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A few Questions about AFM
FAIW, I've turned those stupid idle mix screws back and forth, with apparently no effect. I'd be very interested to see what sort of effect that adjustment has on the exhaust readings! I'll stay tuned.
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running rich, totally lost
Rob, that instant happiness thing might well be worth $350! There's someone else on this forum who is suffering with a wiring mess that used to be a working harness before some kid got hold of it.
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noob valve adjusting on 1978 280z
Hi Argneist, It sounds like you're getting to the point where I was a while back. You've done a LOT of work and your engine still isn't right. Cozye got to a similar point, and we sort of worked through a common solution together. It turns out that our ECUs had drifted in their timing properties over the decades, and so we had to trick them about coolant temperature in order to correct their timing. You can read all about it in this very long and meandering thread: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?40234-Purs-like-a-kitten...&highlight= Somewhere buried in there is my "yogurt cup test," whereby you remove the AFM, stuff a yogurt cup into the AFM/throttle boot, place a hose on the vacuum booster nipple, and blow on the hose with your mouth to "inflate" the entire intake system. A bit of air will leak out, but if the intake is tight, it won't be much. It's a very quick way to confirm that you've found all your vacuum leaks (rather than searching endlessly for a leak that might or might not be there). Once you've put the vacuum leak issue to bed, you can move on to other issues. Anyway my engine wasn't running quite as badly as yours (judging from vacuum numbers -- mine being maybe 14 in Hg initially), but I was able to get my engine running quite well by adding resistance to the coolant temp sensor circuit (thereby correcting mixture). I now run with about 18.5 in Hg. Cold and warm running are quite good. I think I'm just a tad on the rich side, but better rich than lean. (I can adjust the mix leaner with the turn of a screw if I want.) My engine almost always starts in less than a second (1 revolution?) and runs strongly. The only exception is if it's been running and sits for about 20 min, during which time it becomes heat soaked and might take a few revolutions to start. Mileage is about 19 or 20 combined, and more towards the upper 20's on the highway. The magic that made all this happen is a little resistor in series with my coolant temp sensor. :-) Anyway, study the thread I linked, and you'll see how Cozye and I systematically went through all this stuff. (He achieved similar results, BTW.) Oh, and don't worry about the valve adjustment. It's a very easy and strangely satisfying undertaking. You'll be working on the most beautiful part of the engine, IMO. Just don't get your hopes up that it will awaken the beast in your engine. It probably won't make a huge difference, but it definitely needs doing from time to time. Enjoy!
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$38K for an Automatic!
FAIW, I firmly believe that the value of almost any "ordinary" collector car (i.e. not some rare limited edition car, extremely low VIN car, historically important car, etc.) is based mostly on the effort and cost usually necessary to restore a car to that condition, coupled with the willingness of someone to dump that sort of time and money into the car. A rough 1964 1/2 Mustang fastback might be worth $1000. A rough 1970 240Z might also be worth $1000. Restored as nice DD cars, both might be worth $8-12k. Frame-up, show-condition cars might be worth much more. These nicer cars demand these sorts of values mostly because they cost that much to put in that sort of condition, not because there are a bunch of enthusiasts somewhere rah-rah'ing their cars in multiple orgasms. I also own a Miata and am active on a Miata list. Miata owners drool over Miatas even more than Z owners drool over Zs. While Z owners freely admit there are a few shortcomings in the Z design (e.g. in the charging system), Miata owners are steadfastly incapable of realizing there are any shortcomings in the Miata design (e.g. some very badly designed hydraulic lifters, a problematic cam angle sensor O-ring, a really fragile heater core, etc.). To them, the Miata is the PERFECT car. So why aren't Miatas more valuable than Zs? Miatas seem to cost maybe 1/3 what Zs do in parts, and they're not old enough yet that they require much work to put them in top condition, so not surprisingly, pristine NA Miatas will sell for maybe half to a third of what pristine Zs sell for. Wait until the parts get rare and the bodies get rustier, and the gap will close. Believe me, if value were only driven by enthusiasm, Miatas would be commanding enormous prices. In the end, are Z cars undervalued? Maybe just a bit, but maybe not by much. We like to feel slighted when we compare the value of our cars to the great American Muscle cars of the 60's, but honestly we're comparing two different decades. How many 1970's muscle cars sell for what the 1960's muscle cars do? What do you think a 70's turbo Trans Am (hailed by many at the time to be the epitome of American Muscle) would sell for in fine shape? Have patience, and our cars will command the better prices too. I don't think there's any disrespect of Japanese collector cars. I just think the Japanese cars didn't come into their own until the 70's. It's not yet time for them to be extremely valuable. And to be perfectly clear, I never said the perfect 240 isn't worth $38k. I was merely joking about anyone who has that sort of money to throw around in these very challenging economic times. I know I wish *I* had that kind of money to throw at such frivolities, but my frivolity budget is much more modest.
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running rich, totally lost
WOW! You've about covered it all. OK, did you check your throttle position switch? You might be getting full throttle enrichment all the time. How's your fuel pressure? (Yes, I know you checked your FPR for blockages, but did you measure pressure?) If it's too high, you'll be injecting too much fuel. Another potential problem would be that your AFM's main spring is too loose, perhaps because someone tampered with it. Atlantic Z has an article about adjusting the spring to alter the fuel/air mix. I doubt poor atomization by your injectors would be to blame, but it probably couldn't hurt to change them. Do you think they might be sticking open from varnish? (Do any of the plugs foul more than any others?) You might run some Chemtool B12 in your gas to dissolve any deposits. If all else fails, you might try tricking your ECU into cutting your fuel back a bit. Just like some of us run a resistor in series with the coolant temp sensor to enrichen the mix, you might try running some resistance in parallel with it to lean the mix. I wouldn't do this until you've ruled out the above, though. Good luck! And welcome!
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What is this for?
Stuff is spliced everywhere?! Oi! I once bought a car like that. In hindsight I might have been better off with a new wiring harness. Fortunately it wasn't a car I really cared about, and I sold it after it served its purpose.
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1976 280z 2+2
bhermes, you should only post your question once (in a thread that you start, not on the end of someone else's thread about something else). I'm not fussing, but just saying. Here's the other thread under the "help" section: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?41946-Multiple-problems-1st-time-owner. FAIW, this is a somewhat low-traffic list by comparison to some. You won't get instant responses, but you'll get good ones -- less noise, more quality content. We all sort of know each other too, in an internet sort of way -- and often in person. There's also HybridZ, which has a lot more traffic. It's all about mods -- mostly engine mods -- to these Z cars. It's a much more high-key list. This list is more for the folks who get excited about these cars in their stock form!
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$38K for an Automatic!
E, I'm not saying it's not an amazing car! I hope someone clicks that "buy it now" button. Too rich for my blood, though.
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new starter. no cranking
Touch a small wire from the battery (+) terminal to the little spade connector on the starter's solenoid. If the starter springs to life, the problem is somewhere in your ignition switch wiring, and not in either the battery or starter. If so, it could be a bad fusible link.
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Multiple problems, 1st time owner.
First, WELCOME and congratulations! You'll love your "new" car, once you get it straightened out! Let's see... Dash lights: NONE of them are working? Probably a bad/dirty rheostat. Clean with contact cleaner. Also clean your fuse block with contact cleaner. You can't find the original panel bulbs, but you can replace them with Eizo A-72 bulbs... http://bulbster.com/lightbulbs/eiko-a72-48002-p-3002.html Brake light staying on: There used to be a little rubber plug in a hole in your brake pedal arm, just underneath the brake light switch. It's rotted and fallen out. Substitute a bolt. Smooth the head, and apply a tiny bit of grease to it. Not familiar with the "voltage light." Can you elaborate? Squealing brakes: Might need to turn the rotors, but sometimes you can just roughen them up with a very coarse grit of sandpaper. You can also try washing down the rotors and pads with brake cleaner. Small gas leak: Honestly, I'd recommend you pull your tank and fuel/air separator, clean out the tank, check all the fittings, and replace all the hoses. There are many threads on it. Click on the magnifying glass at the upper right (search) to search for those threads. It's a nice, not too difficult little project. Be sure to use all fuel-rated hoses, including the large 5/8" diameter vent hoses. You can get those from a tractor supply company. General advice: You should definitely get a factory service manual for your car (the Datsun publication). If you search only a short while, you'll find out where to download a copy for free. However, I prefer the paper copy, which can be found from time to time on Ebay or Amazon. Each year is different, so get the right year. Eric (Cozye) is a fellow Kentuckian, although I don't know where in KY he lives. You might give him a shout. He knows quite a lot about the EFI 280Z engines and does some very impressive body work. Again, welcome!
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$38K for an Automatic!
Nice! But contrary to the seller's claims, there's a touch of rust in the hatch area. I'll pass.
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Tachometer kills engine
Oh, I didn't get that part -- engine previously running with tach plugged in. Hmmmmm.... Are you sure your tach is wired correctly? Is there any part of the tach's wiring that you worked on? I'm sorry I can't be of much help here, as the 260's tach circuit is wired differently than my 280's, which is electronic.
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No freon, need suggestions
You also can't mix Freeze 12 with R12. To go from one to the other, I believe you have to evacuate the system first, but research whether there's anything else you need to do too. FAIW, we did a cheap 134a conversion on a GM R12 system (changing a few fittings), and it worked pretty badly, ultimately blowing up in an impressive display of spraying freon. I wouldn't recommend it, especially in a place as hot as Houston.
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280Z has issues staying running
By the pigtails, I mean the little hoses. As I recall they're about an inch too short. What you have to do is CAREFULLY slit the rubber around the injector barbs, cutting at an angle that would just graze the soft aluminum barb, not scratch it (or else you'll have a leak). You should actually only cut deeply enough to slice through the cloth reinforcement, but not through the inner layer of hose. Then you can peel the hose off of the barb and out of the little end-cup/cap that's used to secure it. You can put on another fuel-injection rated hose with a regular clamp around the barb. The cup/cap thingie is an alternative to a clamp. The hose butts into it, and it keeps the hose from backing off. The barb has pretty aggressive ridges to grip the rubber. I suppose you could reuse the cup/cap, as it's not damaged during removal, but I just trust a clamp more than I trust that little thing. BTW, I'd pick up the Comp Cam clamps from Summit Racing -- the ones with the smooth inner surfaces that don't eat into the hoses. You can pick up larger clamps of that variety from Hampton Rubber, but they don't have the smaller ones. Or at least they didn't when I was buying mine. Get the ones like these (but pick the right size): http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-G3912/
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Speedometer trapped in dash cap--HELP!!
Well, if you DO end up pulling the full cap off, you might consider replacing with a half cap if it will do the job. The instruments are still removable with a half cap, but it's a squeeze! But yes, others have dealt with this same issue. You should be getting some advice pretty soon.