Everything posted by Zed Head
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getting 1977 280z started
I almost made a comment about AI. It's basically a better Google search. But that's about it.
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getting 1977 280z started
Yarb, the 1980 EFI book is the official Nissan electrical troubleshooting manual. It's basically the FSMs stripped down to the bare essentials and combined in to easy to use charts and instructions.
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getting 1977 280z started
Besides cgsheen1's suggestion, tapping on the injector bodies will often break them free. In your case though it might take a while to get all six free. The engine will run on three cylinders. Sounds like you don't have any injectors working.
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getting 1977 280z started
Are you saying that it still will not continue to run? That you have to do this trick over and over? That would make sense. Each "Start" squirts some fuel in to the intake manifold. The cold start system would be working corectly. Not a problem. Still sounds like your injectors are not opening. Pin 1.
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getting 1977 280z started
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getting 1977 280z started
I can still learn! Yay? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_Duck Toilet Duck is an American brand name of toilet cleaner noted for the duck-shape of its bottle shaped to assist in dispensing the cleaner under the rim. The design was patented in 1980 by Düring AG from Dällikon, Switzerland.[2][3] It is now produced by S. C. Johnson & Son. The Toilet Duck brand can be found in the United States, United Kingdom and other countries around the world. In Germany, it is known as WC-Ente, previously produced by Henkel,[4] and now by S. C. Johnson (Germany).[5] In the Netherlands and Flanders it is called "Wc-eend", in France it is sold as "Canard-WC" and in Italy as "Anitra WC". In Hungary it used to have the name "Toalett Kacsa". Meanwhile, in Spain, it is sold as "Pato WC", in Portugal as "WC Pato", and in Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and Chile as "Pato Purific" or simply "Pato". In Indonesia, it is one of the "Bebek" (duck) line of products, such as Bebek Kloset, Bebek Semerbak, Bebek Semerbak Flush, Bebek In Tank, and Bebek Kamar Mandi.
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getting 1977 280z started
Close up any vacuum leaks to the intake system. All air has to pass through the AFM so the computer knows how much fuel to add. And the big screw with the wide washer head on the throttle body is the idle speed screw. It lets air past the throttle blade. You can adjust it by hand to raise idle speed while you troubleshoot.
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getting 1977 280z started
Which clamp? And where is the fuel leak ending up? Maybe it's getting pulled in to the intake system. At least you know that you have spark. Does the tachometer show engine RPM when it is running?
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getting 1977 280z started
Actually (I think) this only true if all of the injectors are disconnected. It's a parallel circuit for the 280Z EFI. Batch fire injectors. CO pointed that out way back when I mentioned getting voltage on both sides. Or it might be if the injectors on the same transistor are all disconnected (there's two, either 3 + 3 or 4 + 2). The later sequential systems wouldn't do this. Anyway, I have seen 12 on both sides, which was confusing. But can't remember the conditions under which I was measuring. There are other tricks to test the injectors and the injector circuits. Like tapping coil negative to ground three times. But, it's best to do the simple stuff first, probably.
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saturday night music thread
That's a late one. Never heard it. I was listening to them on vinyl on a cheap record player with a penny taped on the stylus.
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getting 1977 280z started
p.s. did you measure voltage across the injector connector pins or from one injector connector pin to ground. The second way is the correct way. p.s. 2 you're falling in to the "it measured good" trap. We need the numbers.
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getting 1977 280z started
Did you disconnect the Neutronics thing? The EFI computer is sensitive to the tachometer/coil - signal on Pin 1. I see a "Power/Tach" label on the box, implying that it's also connected to Pin 1 or the coil. If the Neutronics box is shorted it could cause a no-start. Plus, there's no guarantee that it ever worked. Does the tachometer needle move when cranking? I also see some open vacuum lines in your picture. https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/69545-1977-280z-ignitionfuel-system-neutronics/#comment-679115
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saturday night music thread
- 1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
p.s. Neutronics Enterprises is still out there. Check out the email addresses here - https://neuracing.us/brushless-motor-engineering-and-manufacturing-based-in-sand-diego-ca/ Phone numbers - https://dieselnet.com/com/85.php Stop by and say hello - https://www.mapquest.com/us/california/neutronics-enterprises-inc-366412161 Here's a book that references the patent - https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-10-5903-2_124- 1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
Provide some details about the car. Is it a California car with a converter or is it a Federal car without? There will be a sticker on the door jamb that says Catalyst or No Catalyst. I found the patent describing the concept. If the system follows the patent there will be some hardware attached to the air intake system after the AFM. Attached below. If it was mine I would disconnect it and get the wiring back to factory stock in order to simplify things until you get the engine started. There are numerous reasons that it might not be starting. Start with the basics - power to the coil, spark, tach signal, etc. Download the 1980 EFI book and do the electrical tests. Try starting fluid if you have spark. Make sure the fuel pump is working, etc... I'd also start a separate thread where everything you try is contained. Sometimes people start multiple threads and you can't tell what's been done. It can take a while to get things right after an EFI car has sat. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5163412A/en "Pollution control system for older vehiclesAbstractA pollution or emission control system for retrofitting on older vehicle engines includes a catalytic converter with an in-built oxygen sensor for mounting in the exhaust line, and a supplemental air input line containing a control valve for connection to the engine intake manifold to control the amount of air supplied to the engine. A computer monitors the oxygen sensor output and the engine speed, and controls opening and closing of the control valve according to the detected conditions. The computer also controls the speed at which the valve is opened or closed dependent on the engine speed and optionally the engine temperature, so that the valve can be closed faster at slower engine speeds and opened faster at higher engine speed. The computer is additionally capable of producing diagnostic telemetry, both digital and analog, to assist installation of the invention and test for proper operation once installed."- The OG 240Z - Reanimation Project
I would. But it will take me 35+ hours to get there. If I leave immediately. And break the speed limit.- '78 280Z Restoration - HLS30-436195
Here's a similar thread with good advice in it, linked below. Download the EFI Book from 1980 and run the electrical tests. Get actual resistance measurements at the ECU. Write them down and let us know what they are. Don't do the continuity tests and don't report any measurements as "good". If you want to save time. Check the vacuum hose to the fuel pressure regulator for fuel. It should be dry. Welcome to the 280Z EFI problem club. Good luck. https://www.classiczcars.com/files/category/4-manuals/- saturday night music thread
You've probably heard these songs but didn't know the artist. Same guy. He wrote one of them. Wahhh wah wah wah...- '77 280z running rich at idle, AFM screw doesn't work?
- '77 280z running rich at idle, AFM screw doesn't work?
- The OG 240Z - Reanimation Project
Are there any witness marks where the cover sat? Residual dust patterns? UV light bleaching?- '77 280z running rich at idle, AFM screw doesn't work?
- The OG 240Z - Reanimation Project
I don't want to be a buzzkill or a distraction or stir up a controvery if it's controversial - but why are you calling your car "him". I've noticed its use in some other places but I don't know where it came from. Is there a backstory? Seriously, I don't know, but it looks odd. I grew up with "her" or "she", which is probably not PC today, but "it" seems like the natural default. Anyway, good luck on the trip and the event. Should have made a "will it run and drive" video. There's still time for the "will it make it" part. A barn find with the dust still on it will probably draw more attention than the resto's.- '77 280z running rich at idle, AFM screw doesn't work?
Lean misses can cause rich exhaust. And California cars did have 02 sensors and catalytic converters through 1975 and up. Where did you get your car? Does it have a "Catalyst" sticker on the driver side door jamb? Looks like it has the proper AFM. Are the injectors original? Doesn't look like you pulled the vacuum hose the FPR to check for fuel. Pulling and inspection of each spark plug is worth doing, you might have a bad cylinder. Check and set valve lash, it's the first item in the Tuenup chapter. Check that your timing advance mechanisms are working correctly, both vacuum and mechanical. 16 is kind of high for idle RPM, the system is designed to retard timing at idle for cleaner exhaust by using ported vacuum timing advance. Check the charcoal canister to see if it's loaded with fuel, and check the operation of the control valve on top. Maybe somebody modified it and you're pulling intake air through the gas tank. The tiny things add up.- F4W71A Rebuild
If the problem is synchros grinding it might be worth a shot to try Pennzoil Synchromesh. If it's bearings that another story. If it's both try the Synchromesh to see if it stops the grinding and put in new bearings if you can't find the synchros. Some thoughts. You did say possibility. - 1977 280z ignition/fuel system "neutronics"
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